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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2018, 11:18:44 AM »

I don't know whether it enabled the use of ICE, but it didn't bundle that tool.

iSRD is a detection tool. Once the defect is detected, it does use algorithms similar to clone/heal for fixing them. I have not experienced anything like the "horrible. sharp edged super coarse blur" you mention. Of course the success of using this tool, like for most others, depends on the tool settings. I have always found iSRD detection and subsequent clean-up to be amongst the more successful aspects of this software. It provides much more user control than ICE ever did, which is one of the things I like about it.
A little off the topic, but I'm using VueScan and sometimes I scan in RBGi with a 4th infrared channel.  In photoshop I use the IR channel to create a "dust mask" and use Photoshop controls to paint out the dust and scratches as needed.  Works pretty well, and sometimes a bit better than the VueScan auto dust removal.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2018, 11:22:43 AM »

I have not experienced anything like the "horrible. sharp edged super coarse blur" you mention.

Well, I'd like to follow up on that somewhere else, as I've always just shrugged my shoulders and put up with it... 

But getting back on topic, I've received my new target, and profiled my OpticFilm 120.  Using Apple ColorSync Utility (I don't own ColorThink, I'm not THAT dedicated :-) ) with my inexpert eyes I can see that the new profile has a larger volume and in particular appears to extend more into the greens.  How that will bring any actual benefit I don't know, but the first scan I've tried with the new profile is absolutely spot on.  Of course that is 100% subjective...   But if there is anything I can do to add data points for those who really do know what they are doing / talking about, please don't hesitate to ask.  I also have a Canonscan 9000F here (a vastly underrated flatbed imho) and have intermittent access to an X5.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2018, 11:25:33 AM »

Useful information, thanks David.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2018, 10:49:03 PM »

I honestly cannot think of any other consumer software support form that is managed like this in 2018...
Not hard at all - dp review. They seem to very actively censor posts and ban people at the drop of a hat if there's a whiff of a commercial angle that they haven't got their cut of. Result is a forum that I regard as useless for providing support though.
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2018, 10:52:04 PM »

Not hard at all - dp review. They seem to very actively censor posts and ban people at the drop of a hat if there's a whiff of a commercial angle that they haven't got their cut of. Result is a forum that I regard as useless for providing support though.
+1 a cesspool of a forum filled with a lot of nonsense and awful censorship at the same time.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2018, 03:11:13 AM »

+1 a cesspool of a forum filled with a lot of nonsense and awful censorship at the same time.

Well Dpreview is not a manufacturer’s (supposed) user to user forum. So it’s really not comparable. The problem with LaserSoft is that nobody there understands the difference between a support channel for paying customers and a forum. They consider all forum posts as support requests- and yet I have had posts declined because they tell me that they support cases. Basically about 90% of all posts get answered by staff, which isn’t really leveraging the benefits of a user to user forum, and really user to user replies are discouraged. The structure is also a nightmare, I think they’ve got more topics than dpreview. Basically they show all signs of not having any understanding of web-enabled discourse. And they are so unbelievably stubborn :-)  But still, I absolutely convinced they mean well. Whatever...
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2018, 10:29:39 AM »

Well Dpreview is not a manufacturer’s (supposed) user to user forum.
OK, it's not a manufactures supported user to user forum but a cesspool of a forum filled with a lot of nonsense and awful censorship at the same time.  ::)
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2018, 01:12:41 PM »

Not hard at all - dp review. They seem to very actively censor posts and ban people at the drop of a hat if there's a whiff of a commercial angle that they haven't got their cut of. Result is a forum that I regard as useless for providing support though.

Well, they let Andrew Rodney promote his 'commercial angle'.  :)
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2018, 01:38:49 PM »

Well, they let Andrew Rodney promote his 'commercial angle'.  :)
Do tell, what angle would that be? Have you read their terms? Seems not so let me place that data in front of you:

Commercial advertising. Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site please contact us. This rule includes owners of other digital photography websites promoting themselves on the forum. You will be banned and have all of your messages removed. Other things we consider spamming that will result in removal of messages and a possible ban: never posting anything but links to your own site, soliciting votes / support for your entry in a contest, soliciting contributions (be it for charity, a Kickstarter project or a survey). If you wish to post such content please contact us first.

I'm sorry the facts again continue to ruin your posting life....
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2018, 02:17:07 PM »

Do tell, what angle would that be? Have you read their terms? Seems not so let me place that data in front of you:

Commercial advertising. Commercial website linking or advertising is not allowed, if you wish to advertise on the site please contact us. This rule includes owners of other digital photography websites promoting themselves on the forum. You will be banned and have all of your messages removed. Other things we consider spamming that will result in removal of messages and a possible ban: never posting anything but links to your own site, soliciting votes / support for your entry in a contest, soliciting contributions (be it for charity, a Kickstarter project or a survey). If you wish to post such content please contact us first.

I'm sorry the facts again continue to ruin your posting life....

Well, they clearly let you promote frequent linking back to your own site / material, etc., those pdfs, videos, etc. I know there was some notion of an education angle. But, come on, commercial angle was all too visible also. Especially, considering that many things could be clarified with a few lines, but instead you are quite insistent, many times, on people seeing those 30+ mins videos from your website / youtube.

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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2018, 02:21:58 PM »

Well, they clearly let you promote frequent linking back to your own site / material, etc., those pdfs, videos, etc.
It's their site, take it up with them bud!
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I know there was some notion of an education angle.
Yup, free and thus non commercial.
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But, come on, commercial angle was all too visible also.
A. You can't answer the question as to what that would be and
B. With thousands of posts there, the power's to be have no issue with all those posts.
So maybe you should gather up your sizable funds and buy the site then enforce rules you think are better!
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Especially, considering that many things could be clarified with a few lines, but instead you are quite insistent, many times, on people seeing those 30+ mins videos from your website / youtube.
Yes, I hold a gun to their heads to view free video's.
You realize your concept and post is absurd don't you? Of course you don't. Why the trolling? Of course you can't answer that question either....  :P
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2018, 02:22:43 PM »

Everything from Reply 23 onward is off topic and wasting peoples' time. Not being a moderator, thank goodness, I can only make suggestions to fellow posters, so I'd like to suggest that if participants have nothing more useful to say about SilverFast Advanced Targets they stop posting in this thread.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2018, 02:25:19 PM »

Everything from Reply 23 onward is off topic and wasting peoples' time. Not being a moderator, thank goodness, I can only make suggestions to fellow posters, so I'd like to suggest that if participants have nothing more useful to say about SilverFast Advanced Targets they stop posting in this thread.
+1 Mark. BTW, a couple of engineers and Jan-Willem Rossée of LaserSoft and I will be discussing my findings in a Webex some time next week. So hopefully we can get some useful data and ignore the troll who AFAIK, has no data about these targets to provide....
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2018, 02:28:57 PM »

You realize your concept and post is absurd don't you? Of course you don't. Why the trolling? Of course you can't answer that question either....  :P

I agree with you Mark (in the other post) that this is a sub topic that should not go forward.  And, I have no further desire to take it any further. However, I must say, that while Andrew Rodney presence on DPR on the whole has been beneficial - I myself learned many things from his postings - there is no denying the fact that commercial angle was clear in many of his posts. Thats all I wanted to say in my original message to GW Gill's misplaced assertion regarding DPReview.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2018, 02:34:42 PM »

- there is no denying the fact that commercial angle was clear in many of his posts.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
Hopefully, so long unless again, you have anything factual to state about these new targets. Or Sliverfast. Own it?
Least we refrain from the pot calling the kettle black, donations, seriously?:
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 08:40:50 PM »

Thats all I wanted to say in my original message to GW Gill's misplaced assertion regarding DPReview.
My comment was based on very firm, personal experience. As a result, you won't get any help or assistance from me in regard to ArgyllCMS or related issues on that forum!
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 08:47:26 PM »

My comment was based on very firm, personal experience. As a result, you won't get any help or assistance from me in regard to ArgyllCMS or related issues on that forum!
+1: what comes around, goes around.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 09:38:30 PM »

My comment was based on very firm, personal experience. As a result, you won't get any help or assistance from me in regard to ArgyllCMS or related issues on that forum!

I'm sorry you had that experience. Based upon what I gather from the comments on DPR and here you are a respected and knowledgeable person. So I think it is a loss for DPR. I would still encourage you to reconsider your decision. DPR is a larger forum. As you already know the audience over there is very varied. Luminous-Landscape is a selective forum, and the topics of discussion here are limited, IMHO. And, the PST forum at DPR is quite scholarly many times. Somebody with your knowledge will be quite helpful.

I wish Bart Van der Wolf also participated at DPR. I respect his knowledge and insight and his polite demeanor. Similarly Doug Gray.
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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2018, 09:59:28 PM »

So I think it is a loss for DPR. I would still encourage you to reconsider your decision.
DPR deserves it is based on it's larger audience of many posters who are fact deniers, or trolls (which this site isn't immune from but to a massively lesser degree), overt censorship and a few complete morons. Yes it's a larger site filled with many of the above. Thankfully that's not much the case in these forums. But an important data point is this:
I agree with you Mark (in the other post) that this is a sub topic that should not go forward.  And, I have no further desire to take it any further.
Looks like you're better off over on DPR where when pointing out that you've gone against your word to move on, after hijacking a topic without a single on topic comment, many members there will not call you out for said misstatement! You say you have no further desire to take it further, then you go ahead and do so.

Do you own SilverFast, have access to the advanced target that was under discussion until you came along and is your agenda to simply to turn LuLa forums into those like DPR? Don't answer, go post over there please.
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Re: Silverfast Advanced Targets ?
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2018, 03:08:26 PM »

Joofa, you have made four posts to this thread, none of which has had the slightest bearing on the topic and the first of which was wholly unnecessary personal attack.

Be relevant or be silent.

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