A Visual Examination of Printer Manages Color - Oh My!

[digitaldog]

What do tests of the 2 files look like from your $50 Epson "All In One"?

An excellent question that will not be answered (or answered incorrectly) from one poster, but you can see on my Epson all-in-one, not bad! As seen below, these are the only settings for this Epson when using PMC; simple and it works pretty well. One can of course use a custom profile if desired, despite what another person has told us.

[Jeremy Roussak]

I never assume. It is a shocking habit -- destructive to the logical faculty. -Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

As ever, there's an xkcd for that.

Jeremy

[Mark D Segal]

OK Jeremy, that does it - this has now gone far beyond my paygrade :-), so never too old to learn something "new", I just had to look it up: XKCD; never too late to learn in my old age, and it ain't even colour management, thank goodness.

[Mark D Segal]

Wow, they even have one that comes close to colour management, wouldn't ya know:

Visual Field

[Tim Lookingbill]

As ever, there's an xkcd for that.

Jeremy

I'm assuming you think this is good moderating, right?

[Mark D Segal]

Get a life Tim - may be refreshing to know that moderators can multi-task. There comes a point when it's nice to take a break from counting how many angels can dance on the proverbial head of a pin.

[digitaldog]

I'm assuming you think this is good moderating, right?

Assuming seems to be a professional obsession of yours. Why not ask? Yes, it's a fine post from Jeremy compared to those that are composed of misinformation and misunderstanding, parceled off to attempt an impression of understanding the topic of color and printing.
Like Mark, I didn't know what xkcd was and I learned something new (and correct) from his post. You should try that tactic someday..... 

[Tim Lookingbill]

There comes a point when it's nice to take a break from counting how many angels can dance on the proverbial head of a pin.

And so you think ridiculing someone who participates as you do in counting these angels dancing on the head of pin is a an honorable thing?

Get a life you say, Mark? How about you and everyone here come up with something I can laugh at. You all suck at humor. Why is that?

[Mark D Segal]

I can laugh at myself Tim, not laughing at anyone else. We all need to "take a pill" once in a while!

I think that's the moderator's message - let's not take ourselves so seriously as we often have a tendency of doing. Would avoid a lot of "interpersonal issues" all round.

[digitaldog]

I think that's the moderator's message - let's not take ourselves so seriously as we often have a tendency of doing.

Seems the one person taking himself very seriously (but few others are taking him seriously) is.... No need to name names here. 
BTW, there also comes a point when it's nice to take a break from counting how many angels can dance on the proverbial head of an ICC profile.

[digitaldog]

How about you and everyone here come up with something I can laugh at.

Lots of options here:
https://www.wayfair.com/decor-pillows/sb0/mirrors-c416716.html?refid=GX88041546988.Mirror%7Ee&position=1t1&network=g&pcrid=88041546988&device=c&targetid=aud-42686225422kwd-15049040&channel=GoogleIntent&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqYfWBRDPARIsABjQRYxT6GF2AeuKaPWMKPyDMS4QwJEgvsOOczlI_3y_DGCrC5sUjPOqWF8aApZrEALw_wcB

[Mark D Segal]

BTW, there also comes a point when it's nice to take a break from counting how many angels can dance on the proverbial head of an ICC profile.

Ah, you haven't seen anything yet - just wait..  :-) (Hors d'oeuvre: the number is over 4600; the main course will be served anon).

[Jeremy Roussak]

OK Jeremy, that does it - this has now gone far beyond my paygrade :-), so never too old to learn something "new", I just had to look it up: XKCD; never too late to learn in my old age, and it ain't even colour management, thank goodness.

The first xkcd cartoon I ever saw was this one, which comes close. The author has written a couple of books, too. "What if?" is very amusing.

Jeremy

[Jeremy Roussak]

I'm assuming you think this is good moderating, right?

It's taking part, not moderating. I'm still a member of the forum. There's no conflict.

Jeremy

[Mark D Segal]

The first xkcd cartoon I ever saw was this one, which comes close. The author has written a couple of books, too. "What if?" is very amusing.

Jeremy

That's a riot! Thanks.

[Jeremy Roussak]

You all suck at humor. Why is that?

I think probably you mean that our senses of humour don't match yours, just as in another thread it's clear that our concept of what constitutes good art doesn't match yours.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Jeremy

[digitaldog]

One never needs their humor as much a when they argue with a fool.
-Chinese Proverb

[Alan Goldhammer]

I think probably you mean that our senses of humour don't match yours, just as in another thread it's clear that our concept of what constitutes good art doesn't match yours.

De gustibus non est disputandum.

Jeremy

Do your moderator's duty and lock this thread.  OP question has be asked and answered.  Everything is now spiraling out of control!!!!!

[Doug Gray]

Do your moderator's duty and lock this thread.  OP question has be asked and answered.  Everything is now spiraling out of control!!!!!

I was hoping to get some informed comments about why manufacturers are doing this and, specifically, if it can be ascribed to Color Appearance Models, which suggest increased saturation and a brightening of the tone curve will produce a printer image that appears, after a time to adapt, to be closest to what was on the computer monitor.

There seems to be agreement that Printer manages generally changes these, possibly because it produces more pleasing prints, but it seems to me this is exactly what Perceptual Intent is supposed to do but it's changes are much smaller in my experience.

[digitaldog]

Do your moderator's duty and lock this thread.  OP question has be asked and answered.  Everything is now spiraling out of control!!!!!

I absolutely disagree! Locking threads (deleting them) should be a last case scenario; someone yelling fire in a crowed theater. I'm not sure it is even a moderators duty to lock a thread at least without asking the OP (Doug in this case) who can lock it anytime he wants. IF you find this is out of order, you can stop receiving notifications. Further, speaking for the OP and suggesting his question is answered has little merit IMHO. Plus, we should give Tim an opportunity at the very least to answer the question asked by Stephen in post #55. Doubt that will happen but give him the opportunity. More critically, there is large potential for future posts on topic and based on sound testing and understanding of this topic from others.
IF you like forums where posts are locked and deleted, LuLa isn't your place; the DP Review forums are a perfect location for this kind of censorship!
“Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.”  ― Mark Twain