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Re: Tillerson out?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2018, 11:31:37 am »

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As Secretary of the DoS Rex Tillerson supported the Paris Climate Treaty; the President did not; Secretary Tillerson supported the Obama administration’s Iran deal; the President did not; Tillerson was more apologetic toward lax immigration policy; the President is not; and there were other visible departures visible surrounding the use of economic leverage to achieve national security advancements, specifically on the issue of China and North Korea policy.

Why the h**l did he hire him in the first place? It's not like these aren't the broader issues as well as speer points of his campaign.
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2018, 12:09:52 pm »

Why the h**l did he hire him in the first place? It's not like these aren't the broader issues as well as speer points of his campaign.

"speer"? Please define.

As Chairman & CEO of Exxon/Mobil, he had a excellent working knowledge of the flow of energy resources and money through many parts of the world, especially the middle east. This was very useful to Trump at the beginning of his presidency in that it helped determine allies and foes within the geopolitical landscape.
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2018, 12:40:15 pm »

"speer"? Please define.

Sorry, dutch for "spear"

As Chairman & CEO of Exxon/Mobil, he had a excellent working knowledge of the flow of energy resources and money through many parts of the world, especially the middle east. This was very useful to Trump at the beginning of his presidency in that it helped determine allies and foes within the geopolitical landscape.

Are you suggesting they just scraped his knowledge? Knowledge that likely is available in the system already? I mean i fully agree, even as a potential democrat, that he was a strong candidate for the job, but one would think they selected him because they could trust him with shaping and implementing the desired vision.
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2018, 04:00:39 pm »

Trump uses his subordinates when he trusts them.  Like Mattis who he's letting run the military operations as Mattis see fit in Afghanistan and the Middle East.  Unfortunately, Tillerson seemed like a good candidate for Secretary of State; I thought he'd be good too.  But it didn't work out.  So he replaced him.  Should he keep someone  on who he thinks isn't doing the job?  It's not a big deal.  It's just that Trump opposition is using it to bash him. 

If you hired a photographer who you thought had the stuff but it turns out that his work doesn't meet your needs or standards, would you keep him?  How about a camera that's you researched for weeks that then turns out to be really bad ergonomically.  Sometimes you don't know until you get to hold it in your hands. 

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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2018, 04:47:53 pm »

Are you suggesting they just scraped his knowledge? Knowledge that likely is available in the system already? I mean i fully agree, even as a potential democrat, that he was a strong candidate for the job, but one would think they selected him because they could trust him with shaping and implementing the desired vision.

No. I'm suggesting his usefulness in the realm of geopolitical economies had expired.

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Knowledge that likely is available in the system already?

I don't think Tillerson's business ties were fully known at the State Dept. prior to his arrival.


I also believe Tillerson was tasked with deflating the bloated bureaucracy of the US State Dept.
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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2018, 06:36:08 pm »

One of the best, IMO.





If that photo doesn't demonstrate the reason to shoot an 8x10, nothing will.


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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2018, 07:39:13 pm »

If that photo doesn't demonstrate the reason to shoot an 8x10, nothing will.

The photo was taken for the cover of American Photo in the 1980s. The article indicated he used his 8x10 for the majority of his work, and there were some great BTS pics in the article.
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2018, 08:59:25 am »

One should keep in mind that the duty of the SecState is to implement the foreign policy of the president. SecStates do not make foreign policy, they are the executive agent of implementation.

SecStates should be encouraged to offer up dissenting viewpoints (they are really important) and challenge the presidents foreign policy, in private, but at the end of the day, the president makes foreign policy and the SecState implements it.

If the president does not have the confidence that the SecState will implement the president's foreign policy to the best of his or her ability, it is reasonable to replace the SecState.
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2018, 09:49:05 am »

If the president does not have the confidence that the SecState will implement the president's foreign policy to the best of his or her ability, it is reasonable to replace the SecState.

Every couple of months, if need be.  :)

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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2018, 12:15:24 pm »

Maybe Trump needs a group of SecStates that he can quickly rotate in and out as his viewpoints change?
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« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2018, 12:43:33 pm »

The photo was taken for the cover of American Photo in the 1980s. The article indicated he used his 8x10 for the majority of his work, and there were some great BTS pics in the article.

Yeah; as reliable as my memory may or may not be, he specialised in the centrefolds and not so much the more editorially based shoots. I suppose that's why the large format system was viable: one set-up - I imagine - shot to death in the name of perfection. Mario Casilli was also there for a long time, but had a different style to his work.

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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2018, 02:48:12 pm »

Another investigator bites the dust; how pathetically miserable to fire him just days before he collects a pension. They did it better in the Sopranos. But that was fiction; oh, wait...

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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2018, 11:18:42 pm »

Another investigator bites the dust; how pathetically miserable to fire him just days before he collects a pension. They did it better in the Sopranos. But that was fiction; oh, wait...

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Rob, I assume you only get your news from European sites.  Not one of the ones I'm familiar with are honest when it comes to American politics.  Not one.  They are all as heavily biased as Pravda.  The guy deserved to be fired.  When his subordinates were guilty of the same things some actually spent time in jail!  Have you heard about he & his wife accepting $700K from Hillary Clinton's campaign in recent years?  Have you heard about all the anti-Trump memos he wrote while he was supposedly doing "unbiased" investigations?  And that he lied about it when questioned later?  He was let off easy.  The guy was corrupt.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/17/former-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-fired.html


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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2018, 11:22:18 pm »

You can't seriously quote Fox to counter claims of bias!  The same network that literally lambasted and attacked Obama for talking about meeting with NK and now lauding praise so thick it will choke you on Trump for doing exactly the same thing?
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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2018, 11:42:31 pm »

FBI Deputy Director Wray was going to be demoted by his boss FBI Director Wray because McCabe received a negative report from the government watchdog Inspector General (IG), a non political post.  The IG report will come out soon showing McCabe lied to committees and violated other FBI rules.  Of course, the Trump hating media mainly ignored this point although even liberal CNN covered it a little based on a NY Times report. 
Quote: "The Times, citing one official close to McCabe, said the deputy director's decision to leave before his anticipated retirement in March came after Wray discussed the looming inspector general report and suggested demoting McCabe from the number two post at the bureau."

"Rather than accept the demotion, the source told the Times, McCabe informed colleagues he would leave the bureau Monday."

Of course the Trump hating press will continue to blame Trump for Wray's malfeasances.

 https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/29/politics/chris-wray-mccabe-fbi/index.html

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« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2018, 05:18:44 am »

Have you heard about he & his wife accepting $700K from Hillary Clinton's campaign in recent years? 

Looking forward to seeing your proof of that particular statement (no, Fox reports don't count).
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« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2018, 05:34:10 am »

Rob, I assume you only get your news from European sites.  Not one of the ones I'm familiar with are honest when it comes to American politics.  Not one.  They are all as heavily biased as Pravda. 
What a bunch of crap, I've seen several European media making honest reports about how the guy may have been involved in illegal activities. Just look a bit further than what Fox writes about European media before you make statements like these.
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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2018, 05:50:45 am »

What a bunch of crap, I've seen several European media making honest reports about how the guy may have been involved in illegal activities. Just look a bit further than what Fox writes about European media before you make statements like these.

Very true! I get most of the news from Guardian and Spiegel. Not only report they more objectively and more factually than the American publications, but interestingly, in most cases, they publish the latest news before they appear in the USA.
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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2018, 08:08:53 am »

Very true! I get most of the news from Guardian and Spiegel. Not only report they more objectively and more factually than the American publications, but interestingly, in most cases, they publish the latest news before they appear in the USA.
To the critiquers of European papers - try them, you may like them!

I may be mistaken here, but isn't it the case that the US newspaper industry is run on far more local terms, in that there isn't such a thing as a national one? That could impact the relative value given international news. I find that UK tv is also less likely to embrace news stories that have no direct bearing on solely UK concerns. (However, it also had strictly regional channels.) For that wider interest, I use places such as france24 though their problem is one of under-funding (I think), and good documentaries are repeated to the level of the involuntary scream. That said, daily stories are pretty varied and comprehensive in scope.

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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2018, 09:42:55 am »

I may be mistaken here, but isn't it the case that the US newspaper industry is run on far more local terms, in that there isn't such a thing as a national one? That could impact the relative value given international news.

Among the major U.S. dailies, only the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal genuinely qualify as national newspapers.  Both, perhaps not coincidentally, have successfully made the transition from paper to electronic subscription models.  Both also have strong traditions of scrupulously trying to maintain the objectivity of their reporting staffs, and enforcing a strict separation between their news and opinion operations.  The Washington Post has long had aspirations to become a national newspaper, but its readership remains primarily regional—Washington, D.C., and the areas of Maryland and Virginia surrounding the national capital.  I also detect a tendency for reporters' or editors' opinions to leak into the Post's news coverage.  It's not blatant, but you probably would never need to read any of the opinion columns to guess that the paper's outlook was a "liberal" one.

The Journal and the Post offer more extensive international coverage than most big-city dailies in the United States.  Their foreign reporting is quite good, but except for events of worldwide significance it tends to be targeted to the interests of their respective readerships (business executives for the Journal and people with an interest in politics and government for the Post).  The Times invests considerable resources into covering foreign regional and country-specific events in addition to major worldwide stories.  Its international coverage has become significantly more sophisticated during the last ten years with the hiring of an increasing number of reporters (both as staff members and contract "stringers") who are natives of the countries they are assigned to.  They still have to meet the Times's rigorous editorial standards, but their ability to understand the cultural and political nuances of events routinely gives the paper's international stories a depth that I have rarely seen matched by other U.S. newspapers—or, frankly, by the English-language newspapers from other countries with which I am familiar.
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