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brianrybolt

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2018, 10:29:19 AM »

Although I haven't bought the RX10IV, I did go to a dealer and shot off about 30 Raw exposures both in and outdoors.  I found the images very noisy at 400iso and above. Even using noise reduction which took a lot of fiddling, the shots never looked that great.  It has a great lens and feels good in my hands but the noise issue really put me off. 

Too bad since I was ready to buy it.

Brian

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2018, 12:52:25 PM »

Although I haven't bought the RX10IV, I did go to a dealer and shot off about 30 Raw exposures both in and outdoors.  I found the images very noisy at 400iso and above. Even using noise reduction which took a lot of fiddling, the shots never looked that great.  It has a great lens and feels good in my hands but the noise issue really put me off. 

Too bad since I was ready to buy it.

Brian

And that's the main reason why I can't use the as my only camera. At base ISO they are not bad and even at higher ISO they are competitive with larger sensors from 10 plus years ago. I will admit some of that noise doesn't show up in prints, similar to what's happening with m43.

Their advantage is when you need more DOF and find a way to use lower ISO, see the m43 vs full-frame discussion.

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2018, 01:01:36 PM »

Maybe I'll try the Oly Pen F.  Supposed to be very good and not too noisy.  I've owned m43 when they first came out - I assume they are better know in terms of noise.

BTW, I love your shot of the Vietnam Memorial

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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2018, 06:11:30 PM »

Thank you.

The E-M5ii is good enough until you have to raise the ISO or you want to push the file significantly.

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2018, 06:30:08 PM »

Although I haven't bought the RX10IV, I did go to a dealer and shot off about 30 Raw exposures both in and outdoors.  I found the images very noisy at 400iso and above. Even using noise reduction which took a lot of fiddling, the shots never looked that great.  It has a great lens and feels good in my hands but the noise issue really put me off. 

Too bad since I was ready to buy it.

Brian

Can I ask you which RAW processor you used?
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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2018, 05:39:26 AM »

Can I ask you which RAW processor you used?

Latest Lightroom Classic CC

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2018, 08:01:04 PM »

Latest Lightroom Classic CC

Curious if you would see a visible difference using Capture One Express for Sony (the free edition locked to only Sony produced RAWs). I was very surprised to compare C1 processed RAWs from the RX10 with e.g. RawTherapee or DarkTable. I only this week bought the PS/LR CC bundle, so will be testing it there also.
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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 04:02:23 PM »

There's also different folks' inherent tolerance for noise to consider. For example, luminance noise doesn't bother me a bit. I often like it in fact. But chroma noise is another story.

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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2018, 06:34:48 PM »

I think much too much importance is placed on over examination of our (GEAR) stuff...

Peter

From earlier this evening. Sony RX10 IV ISO 2000

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2018, 10:34:09 PM »

I'd love to see some stuff shot at the long end of the zoom.
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« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2018, 09:55:53 AM »

From the same shoot. This at the long end of the zoom. @220=600mm FF. ISO 2500

Peter
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2018, 10:38:04 AM »

It all depends on your presentation size. For 4x6 or web is fine but I see the detail ruining noise at ISO 2000. I have a RX100 and the sensor performance should be similar.
I can use it without much worries to ISO 400, with care and caveats to ISO 800 and beyond that only if getting the shot is more important. Again, depends on your priorities.

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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2018, 10:56:49 AM »

It all depends on your presentation size. For 4x6 or web is fine but I see the detail ruining noise at ISO 2000. I have a RX100 and the sensor performance should be similar.
I can use it without much worries to ISO 400, with care and caveats to ISO 800 and beyond that only if getting the shot is more important. Again, depends on your priorities.

Hi Armand,
Exactly! It's all about priorities...If you only look at your image zoomed in on the camera LCD it's going to be a mess at high ISO.
Like all digital files, Knowledgable Processing is all the difference.

Peter

These files, that I'm seeing are printable for MY needs to 24"x16".
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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2018, 11:01:37 AM »

It all depends on your presentation size. For 4x6 or web is fine but I see the detail ruining noise at ISO 2000. I have a RX100 and the sensor performance should be similar.
I can use it without much worries to ISO 400, with care and caveats to ISO 800 and beyond that only if getting the shot is more important. Again, depends on your priorities.

Also open my file, it's a JPG 18"x12" @ 72dpi and I greatly reduced it for this post.

Peter
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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2018, 10:58:34 AM »

Thanks, Peter. This really does look like an excellent camera.  If the next version has a fully articulated LCD panel, I'm in,
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2018, 01:06:27 PM »

Thanks, Peter. This really does look like an excellent camera.  If the next version has a fully articulated LCD panel, I'm in,

That would be nice...I agree!

Peter

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2018, 11:44:32 AM »

I'd love to see some stuff shot at the long end of the zoom.

Here you go.
Purchased it for my wife rather then adding a $2500 70-200 f/2.8 to our A7rII.
She absolutely loves it , me too!
Perfect for her bird photography.

1/640 f/5.0 iso/100 220mm/600mm
Second photo is just a crop.
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Peter McLennan

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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2018, 12:13:26 PM »

rather then adding a $2500 70-200 f/2.8 to our A7rII.

Precisely.  I was considering a Nikkor 300 f4 @ over $3K CDN for my D800s.  This looks like a far better deal if it's long lenses you crave.

Glad you like it, Dan.  The preponderance of opinion matches yours.
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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2018, 12:17:31 PM »

The IV is supposed to fix the slowness/hunting at long focal lengths, which I see from time to time on the III.

In my experience, the IV has done that...

Peter

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Re: Sony RX10IV user impressions?
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2018, 10:47:46 AM »

I have no experience with the Sony, but understand it is quite capable, and only comment because I travel a lot. You can now buy a Panasonic GX8 for around $800 and for the extra $900 that the Sony would cost, you could add a selection of lenses. The Panasonic has a larger sensor (m4/3) and is weather-sealed, but the important thing is non-technical -- it packs flat. I've always found the long-lens all-in-one cameras to be awkward to travel with. They don't fit well in packs, because they're thick in all three dimensions. With an m4/3 you can take the camera apart and the thickest thing you'd be packing are the lenses. I happen to have what I think is the fattest m4/3 lens sitting on my desk, with a micrometer, and it appears the Lumix G Vario f4 7-14 (14-28 equiv) is 2.9 inches fat at the fattest point (the lens cap.) I also have the Lumix G constant f2.8 35-100 (70-200 equiv) sitting here, and at the fattest point it is 2.6 inches thick. The m4/3 cameras also have a half-dozen handy pancake lenses. The GX8 is (was) at the high end of the Panasonic line, and there are very capable and smaller and cheaper m4/3 cameras. Just sayin'.
The GX8 is an awesome, sexy very sophisticated and reffined camera. And despite its age, it's still
Highly capable and a great bang for the buck.
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