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Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« on: February 04, 2018, 11:56:14 AM »

Experimenting with split toning a B/W image and would like to know if it is "over the top."
In LR, highlights setting were H25, S5 and for shadows H240, S5, Balance -100. I also reduced overall saturation by -10.
I like it as is and think it will print well, but trolling for different opinions.
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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 12:05:56 PM »

I like the idea I I like the originating photograph.

Two things I am not sure about. One is the particular shade of blue... I would go for more cyan, less purple shade of blue. A bit more, not too much, mind you. The other is obvious Clarity effect along some edges. Easily corrected with a negative Clarity local brush.

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 12:28:54 PM »

Thanks for the suggestion Slobodan. I bumped the shadows hue to 225 and it removed that very slight magenta tone. I am amazed that you could see it and put your finger on what needed sliding and which direction; I could only see that something seemed a little off, but couldn't put MY finger on it.
The over clarity your seeing is part of the original. One of the reasons I took the shot was the morning mists lying in parts of the canyons backlit by the sun; self made clarity! I actually cranked it down to re-do this one! Of course that assumes that I am seeing what you are looking at ;)

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 12:58:29 PM »

This is what I am seeing. Compare how much darker hill tops in red are compared to a similar area in green:

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 01:53:39 PM »

Ah, the dark side of clarity! I touched those areas and some others with some negative clarity and they looked better. I was looking at the light side of the edges so learned something new. The lower area you outlined required more than clarity; had to lift the shadows. Yeah, touched the blacks too. Posting the changes so you can see if you agree it looks better. Overdid cyan shadows?
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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 02:05:46 PM »

A fine study in graphics, David.

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2018, 02:15:17 PM »

Looks better. I also see now some warmer/brownish areas in the upper right half. it seems to detract from the monochromatic feel.

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2018, 02:33:26 PM »

It's so close to monochrome already that it's be worth a try as a B&W.

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2018, 03:43:59 PM »

Thanks for the help fellas. Now, this is interesting: I turned the saturation in the highlights to zero, but upped the saturation in the shadows. By monitoring the L*A*B values like Charles Cramer suggested, that upper right areas now reads just about absolutely neutral, but it still looks slightly warmer relative to the rest of the image. Proof that you can't trust your eyes! I'll be interested what you guys see, now. Russ, when I completely desaturate, it looks a tad too cool to me and if I warm it up by 1 or 2 points in WB, I am back where we started.

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2018, 04:11:30 PM »

... that upper right areas now reads just about absolutely neutral, but it still looks slightly warmer relative to the rest of the image...

Yep, it is the relativity issue.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 10:44:43 PM »

I think the contrast is too low. I have a similar shot and I think you will see what I mean. Also recommend a black and white conversion

http://www.douglasdolde.com/-/galleries/duotones/-/medias/41c20922-3116-11e2-8c46-71026f6165a9-castles-temples-and-buttes
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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2018, 04:30:45 AM »

David, is the title of the photograph for real?

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2018, 08:46:28 AM »

 Hiya Dave!! I see you've got the image posting thing down pat!!

 Great shot by the way  :)

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2018, 12:31:38 PM »

David, is the title of the photograph for real?
Yes, Rob, it is! And you'll never guess what the name of the south fork is; not so lush ;)
Real creeks, real names!
Thanks Kevin. Doug, appreciate the sentiment, but did not want to rev up the contrast; wanted a softer look.

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 02:15:24 PM »

Yes, Rob, it is! And you'll never guess what the name of the south fork is; not so lush ;)
Real creeks, real names!
Thanks Kevin. Doug, appreciate the sentiment, but did not want to rev up the contrast; wanted a softer look.

I quit while I am still here!

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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 06:08:28 PM »

I turned the saturation in the highlights to zero, but upped the saturation in the shadows.
Did you do this manually with a local brush, or is there a way to do this more directly in LR? I have LR5, which perhaps does not have this feature?
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Re: Wet Beaver Creek Canyon
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 06:16:30 PM »

Did you do this manually with a local brush, or is there a way to do this more directly in LR?

Split Toning panel.

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