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« on: September 24, 2006, 10:56:15 pm »

I have a canon dig rebel, 6mp body, an olympus e-1 and e-500. I have been  waiting for a higher megapixel in a decent price range since PMA and now Photokina for olympus to come out with the E-1 type upgrade but it seems that Oly is content on taking its time on replacing the e-1 flagship. I am interested in either the nikon d200 or the canon 30d. Is it best to wait for olympus or has any one compared the two to what I have already. I have an assortment of lenses for the canon and olympus which all three have great printable images but if I go to cropping I loose a lot of the detail in my shots. Any advice?  Next question will any of the canon lenses work with a 5D, will they work or not??
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2006, 09:00:33 am »

I bought a 30D to replace my stolen E1.

Though not weatherproofed like the olympus, the body is well made.  I bought it second hand with a tamron 24-135 and added a Sigma EX 10-20, 18-50 2.8 and a Canon 85 1.8.

I wanted to get an upgraded E1 and even considered buying one on close out because of the superb lenses.  Whilst I'm much happier with the Canon body - the AF is so much faster, it's lighter, the high ISOs make a huge difference to its usability for me and a million other reasons, I'm just not happy with the lens quality in comparrison with my old Zuiko Digitals and wish Olympus would release them in Canon mount! (i'll be waiting to snowboard in hell I guess.)

I assume the only alternative is Canon L stuff or primes - I'm going to add a 50 1.4 asap but cannot afford the 16-35 2.8 and f4 on the 17-40 is just too slow for much of my work.  I did consider the 17-55 EFS 2.8 but decided it was way expensive in comparrison with the Sigma and since I want to move full frame in the future, felt it an expensive dead end.  Had they been available second hand, my opinion may have changed.  At the long end, which I rarely use by comparisson, I want to get a Sigma EX 70-200 but I wish it was ISed!

Hope that is of some insight, if I were you, I'd wait and see if Olympus have a release date for the E1 sucessor this week - it's not like you are short of cameras to get the picture so you are in a position to wait if you wanted.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 01:50:39 pm »

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I bought a 30D to replace my stolen E1.

Though not weatherproofed like the olympus, the body is well made.  I bought it second hand with a tamron 24-135 and added a Sigma EX 10-20, 18-50 2.8 and a Canon 85 1.8.

I wanted to get an upgraded E1 and even considered buying one on close out because of the superb lenses.  Whilst I'm much happier with the Canon body - the AF is so much faster, it's lighter, the high ISOs make a huge difference to its usability for me and a million other reasons, I'm just not happy with the lens quality in comparrison with my old Zuiko Digitals and wish Olympus would release them in Canon mount! (i'll be waiting to snowboard in hell I guess.)

I assume the only alternative is Canon L stuff or primes - I'm going to add a 50 1.4 asap but cannot afford the 16-35 2.8 and f4 on the 17-40 is just too slow for much of my work.  I did consider the 17-55 EFS 2.8 but decided it was way expensive in comparrison with the Sigma and since I want to move full frame in the future, felt it an expensive dead end.  Had they been available second hand, my opinion may have changed.  At the long end, which I rarely use by comparisson, I want to get a Sigma EX 70-200 but I wish it was ISed!

Hope that is of some insight, if I were you, I'd wait and see if Olympus have a release date for the E1 sucessor this week - it's not like you are short of cameras to get the picture so you are in a position to wait if you wanted.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 01:53:59 pm »

Thanks for the opinion you gave. I have been waiting for awhile for oly so a little longer will not hurt. I love the oly colors more then my canon and was hopeing for the e-1 replacement to be anounced.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 03:16:36 pm »

Fuji's announcement of the S5 might complicate your choices.  Image quality with it should be superb, provided price, write speed and buffer are no issue (they're coy an those points in their splash).  Even the S2 has really exceptional image quality.  The S3 is even better, but we passed on it due to the concerns I expressed about the S5 announcement.  The S5 is supposed to do the S3 one better, so images are probably notable.  Available "February 2007" according to Fuji, but they long ago taught us about release dates and large grains of salt.  
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 04:18:01 pm »

Another obvious consideration is the XTi 400D. I've had the camera in hand for about 4-5 days & it's a sweet upgrade from my earlier 10D. I won't go into its features because they're described all over the web, but...
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 10:17:51 am »

i am happy with 30d's performance, but i would wait until canon bring out their new upgrades/line (other than 400d xti) with sensor cleaning built-in.

one less thing to buy and worry about.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 11:07:01 am »

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I am interested in either the nikon d200 or the canon 30d. Is it best to wait for olympus or has any one compared the two to what I have already.
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If you can stomach t the lens investment changeover then either system will work well. I'll add the Nikon angle and can highly recommend the D200 on many counts - colour, usability, resolution, lens system etc. I can't vouch for the D80 but I have handled it and it feels like a smaller D200 with most of the same capabilities but in a smaller body and with SD cards.

If you've held out this far with the E1 (great underappreciated camera imho) then it might be worth seeing what Olympus promise. The 4/3rds system isn't going away and Panasonic/Leica are bringing out some nice camera/lenses right now. The pro-quality Olympus should be a significant upgrade from the current E1 given the amount of time people have been waiting and watching consumer models come out.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 11:25:24 pm »

I have thought about the Nikon d200 because of a build quality being like the olympus e-1. At photokina and on there web sight olympus is planning a e-1 replacement in 2007. I think it might be on the high end. All they are showing is a shell of a body with no info on capablities. The D200 has came down a bit and I have seen kits with two lenses for $1700.  New lenses and demo bodies. I have the lenses for olympus and the canon rebel lines. The way it sounds olympus might not be ready untill 3 to 6 months or more. The canon 30d will work with my lenses but does have the build of the nikon d200. A bit confused. Enjoy what I have or wait 6 months
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2006, 08:46:48 am »

Everyone has an angle here.  Here is mine.  I have a D200.  I live at the foot of the Swiss Alps.  In the summer I do a lot of, and take mountainering pictures and in the winter, snow sports.  Toughness, environmental sealing, fast AF, bright viewfinder, 5fps ans fast prime leses sealed the deal for me on the D200.  Nikon's long term commitment to the x1.5 factor was also reassuring.  I'm quite happy to be corrected but at this price point and with my needs in mind the D200 was a very logical choice.

Firstly I don't think it makes sense to run 3 systems but I guess the Oly and Canon setups evolved over time.  In your position I would be temped to prioritize on what it is you really need going forward and avoid the need for an interim solution.  In the long run that's only going to cost more and will it necessarily give you better results.

If environmental sealing and general toughness is important to you then I think you should be considering the D200, it's no D2X but it's bloody good imo.  You don't say which Canon lenses you have but from your comments it sounds like the EF-S models. In this case I would consider selling those and starting again.  If you do have some non EF-S Canon lenses then a used 5D looks like an attractive option provided it meets the environmental test.  I don't have any experience with the Canon 5D so I don't know how good or bad it is in this respect.  I am sure there are plenty of Canon users here who will be able to share their experiences.

I would not be concerned about color.  The D200 delivers excellent color.  Just make sure you nail the exposure.  Semi-Pro and Pro Nikon's are not very forgiving in this respect.  As I said I have no practical experience of the 5D but on paper the color looks excellent.  Again, I'm sure a friendly 5D owner could chip in here with the facts.  

I'd be happy to recommend some lovely Nikon glass if you let us know what it is you like to or plan to shoot.

p.s. I notice you also included the D80.  Dependng on how important the environmental sealing and robustness are to you the D80 while very capable may not be the body for you.  People often ask what's the difference betwen a D80 and D200.  This is one of the main ones.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2006, 03:03:33 pm »

I'm in a similar boat.  I have a 300D and it's served me very well, but it has some obvious flaws that can be fixed with newer offerings.  Ideally I want the fictional 40D, but in the meantime I want a stop-gap.  I went to a local store to try out the 400D and 30D, as they are in my price range - I would love a 5D but the wife would then have a few new handbags, and I don't think we would have the mortgage

After going hands on for 20 min in the store The major points made by both models were clear.  I would like the added MP of the 400D, but it's no deal breaker, and MP doesn't make a good picture on it's own - a small point.  The sensor cleaning is nice, certainly very conveient for a certain percentage of circumstanses.  I, however, have already invested in the full sensor brush package and don't need any self-cleaning system.  Besides, for the stubborn particles or stains, you still have to resort to conventinal methods anyway.  Another small point.

The 30D however has one HUGE point and it IS a deal maker - or rather the 400D has a huge minus and deal breaker - it's WAY too small for me.  I don't even have large hands, just about average.  I shoot double-stacks and don't need short triggers - size XL gloves, etc.  But I have no way to accurately, comfortibly hold the 400D.  I had the same experience with the XT when it came out, I thought - wow that was stupid of Canon, I bet they go back after this model!  Nope, too bad.

Besides that the 30D's viewfinder is a touch, but noticeably larger and brighter - something I have always wanted with my 300D.  I would certainly enjoy that feature immensly!  Both have exceptional rear view screens compared to the 300D, however the operation and layout of the 30D is markedly superior to the 400D.  Glancing at it for settings, and the fact that the 30D body still employs the dedicated setting LCD makes it much faster, at least for someone familiar with traditional controls, over the 400D.  I'm no pro, so fast easy operation is only a small point for me with the 30D, but certainly would be more cosequential to others in the industry.

Price-wise, at retail, the 400D is certainly a bargain especially to those like me that have used other exceptional bargains like our 300Ds.  I for one, bought mine for less than $500 3 years ago with rebates.  The 30D at retail is less so, however I like most others here do not buy near retail.  The 400D being so new, in demand and often out of stock, commands full retail everywhere right now.  The 30D however being in ample suppy is heavily discounted everywhere but the brick and mortor stores such as Ritz, where I was browsing for my hands on review.  The $30D with expeditited shipping is less than $1175 online while the 400D is $800 (both body-only).  So essentially it's down to under $400 between the two.

$400 for a much better designed/constructed body, larger more useful viewfinder and some minor features such as slightly more burst rate.  However with the disadvantage (to some) of 2MP less and the absence of the cleaning feature.

I have waivered back and forth based on web reviews, stats and comments.  After hands-on use, the choice was made very clear, the addional $400 would be money well spent - it's a 30D for me, at least until the 40D comes out, with hopefully the Digic III processor and more MP to put it to good use.

Oh, while I'm here I'll related a blunderous moment.  This past weekend I went on my first hot air balloon ride.  All in all a very nice experience, great flight, great pilot, and a handful of great shots!  I have absolutely nothing to complain about except my inattention to a critical point.

I finally upgraded my walkaround lens and bought the Canon 17-85 IS.  SO far so good, I really like it, although I wish I could afford faster glass - oh well, I can't.  Anyway, as most know ballooning starts well before sunrise, i.e. it's dark.  Before we lifted off and got in the suns rays, it was well under ideal light conditions, and I HATE using flash.  Some of you can see where this is going.  This was my first IS lens, and also happened to be my first time using it.  Yup, I forgot to turn on IS for the WHOLE TRIP and you guessed it, about 50% of the shots have motion blur, that otherwise would have been lovely shots   I deleted a couple hundred that were just garbage, and put up a small gallery here if anyone wants to see: Balloon Flight
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2006, 05:16:35 pm »

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I have a canon dig rebel, 6mp body, an olympus e-1 and e-500. I have been  waiting for a higher megapixel in a decent price range since PMA and now Photokina for olympus to come out with the E-1 type upgrade but it seems that Oly is content on taking its time on replacing the e-1 flagship. I am interested in either the nikon d200 or the canon 30d. Is it best to wait for olympus or has any one compared the two to what I have already. I have an assortment of lenses for the canon and olympus which all three have great printable images but if I go to cropping I loose a lot of the detail in my shots. Any advice?  Next question will any of the canon lenses work with a 5D, will they work or not??
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It's really up to you to do the testing, people on this forum can talk until the cows come home on the relative strenghts of both systems (Nikon & Canon), they are both much better than what you have, but it's you who must rent each camera in turn and test it for at least a weekend each. I have a d30, it's fine for most work I do (not much larger than 8*10 offset print), in the same ballpark as the nikon d200.  Do yourself a favor, rent them both, and rent a decent zoom or prime lens with each. How a camera feels in your hands after a few days goes a long way to help make up your mind. Happy shooting.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2006, 09:25:21 pm »

The main advantage of the D200 over the D80 is full weather sealing and a more robust body.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that the 30D is weather sealed, is it? From this standpoint, my personnal feeling is that the D80 is probably the Nikon camera to be compared to the D30.

I have been using one for a few weeks now as a complement to my D2x, and it feels very well built.

I'll have the chance to use the D80 during an extended trip to remote parts of China in a few weeks during which rain and snow are expected. I should be able to provide more feedback on its weather resistance after that trip, but first shooting in moderate rain has shown the body to be reasonnably resistant. My main concern with the D80 is the non sealed SD card slot, but it is easy to fix this by taping the slot.

Now, since you already have a set of Canon lenses, I would stay in the Canon family if I were you. On the other hand, the 30D should not be considered like a new camera, it is merely a 20Ds, meaning a 2 years old design soon to be upgraded to something better...

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