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VidJa

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where to start, printing b&w
« on: November 25, 2017, 01:52:17 PM »

I find myself going back to b/w lately. However, bw printing is a domain i never touched in the digital era. Where do I start with HQ monochrome prints beyond the normal capabilities of my color inkjet.

I own a Epson 1500W that I can make dedicated to black and white printing for starters.
I've used this printer mainly for color work and the occasional bw print of medium quality.


Are there special drivers, inks, software I need?, any paper recommendations to start with.?
In the chemical era i always use Ilford FB multigrade with warmtone developers.


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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2017, 10:36:15 AM »

See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/ for my approach.   It's simple, inexpensive, and gives you control of the process if you're a dedicated B&W printer. 

In general, the higher the carbon content of your final image, the more lightfast it'll be.  Over the years, I've tried all sorts of approaches, the 100% carbon pigments at different dilutions in most carts, with a single color "toner" in one position seems to be the simplest.  So that is what I now do.  The tonal range is from 100% carbon warm (half way to sepia) to neutral (what would have been called a "cool" silver print).  While I think printing on matte paper only is the least expensive and most clog resistant because no binder (glue) is needed in the inks, in fact, my 9800 with the glossy carbons is also essentially clog free, but I always recommend you run your printers at least once a week.  My approaches work on any Epson you can find good empty, refillable carts for.

Enjoy,

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Rob C

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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 03:57:21 PM »

I was very happy with what I managed to screw out of my HP B 9180 in black and white, if not colour, but HP chose to abandon the system. I have printed nothing since then.

It's problem was that it had to be left switched on 24/24 so that it could run its own cleaning programme each day and keep clogging at bay. It never did clog, but did enjoy drinking ink!

I still have it, taking up desk space, but it's too pretty and heavy to carry out of the place... I wish there was an alternative b/w set of inks it could use, but as it isn't supported, I guess it wouldn't be worth the risk of spending more time or money on it.

Rob

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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 08:00:44 PM »

Does your Epson 1500W have an ABW (Advanced B&W) mode in the print driver?  That might be a good start.
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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 02:31:48 PM »

Thanks, especially Paul, your info got me a long way. I need some time to digest it all but I think I'll go for the combo of QuadToneRip and recommended inks. Now only to find a european supplier for the ink.


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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 04:01:44 PM »

I was very happy with what I managed to screw out of my HP B 9180 in black and white, if not colour, but HP chose to abandon the system. I have printed nothing since then.

It's problem was that it had to be left switched on 24/24 so that it could run its own cleaning programme each day and keep clogging at bay. It never did clog, but did enjoy drinking ink!

I still have it, taking up desk space, but it's too pretty and heavy to carry out of the place... I wish there was an alternative b/w set of inks it could use, but as it isn't supported, I guess it wouldn't be worth the risk of spending more time or money on it.

Rob

I have three B9180 printers here and they all have problems- they use the same ink and heads as my Z3100.
The Z3100 is a marvel compared to it that makes very nice BW prints on gloss and matte paper that hold very long ( more than a century they say).
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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 10:51:41 AM »

Thanks, especially Paul, your info got me a long way. I need some time to digest it all but I think I'll go for the combo of QuadToneRip and recommended inks. Now only to find a european supplier for the ink.

STS Inks is MIS's supplier.  They do have European distribution.  I can't say for sure that what is in it's largest sizes is the same ink as I've been using, however.  Joseph Costello ([email protected]) is my contact there.

I've found my generic base (v. c6b) (see p. 5 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Ink-Mixing.pdf) works with coated OEM (printer company) pigments because their binders are coated on the particles.   I prefer the MIS/STS "amber" (MIS's term) base because it cuts the bronzing.  A post-printing spray (e.g., Print Shield) will do the same thing.  This, obviously, only affects glossy papers.  I"ve been using my generic base to dilute pigments for years with never any evidence of problems in Epson printers.  (It's not for thermal heads of Canon and HP printers, which need special cleaners and a lower viscosity ink.)

Paul
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Re: where to start, printing b&w
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 06:23:39 PM »

For the sake of completeness, someone should also mention that Jon Cone's Inkjetmall also sells dedicated monochrome inksets.  I expect that they will be more expensive that the MIS option, but claim to offer more of a turnkey solution.  IJM will also claim that there's a higher level of support via their dedicated forum.  Their refillable cartridges may not work for a European 1500.
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