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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #620 on: January 18, 2018, 07:34:58 PM »

No major advanced industrialized country is on track to meet its pledges to control the greenhouse-gas emissions that cause climate change. So much for Paris Accord Promises.  Plain old PAP.
https://www.nature.com/news/prove-paris-was-more-than-paper-promises-1.22378

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« Reply #621 on: January 19, 2018, 07:41:56 AM »

All of these issues boil down to costs vs benefits. This fracking research story popped up today: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/18/scientists-have-figured-out-how-fracking-causes-earthquakes-in-alberta_a_23337436/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage. Fracking has been successful, for a brief period, in finding more US (and Canadian) oil, but at what longer term cost? When will that cost be greater than more expensive forms of energy delivery?

This kind of cost, local earthquakes, is the kind of cost that's really easy to bear for those not living near the affected area. Going from past history, when it comes to making a buck, people are more than willing to put up with other peoples' troubles.
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #622 on: January 19, 2018, 12:28:25 PM »

In addition to reports out today about this year being one of the hottest ever there are some other interesting stories:

More rain in the Arctic may lead to fewer musk oxen:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/science/musk-oxen-climate-change.html?hpw&rref=science&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

Warm and wet weather in Khazakstan may be implicated in the large number of deaths in 2015 of an antelope species:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/science/saiga-deaths-bacteria.html?hpw&rref=science&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well  Good news is that the latest population counts shows that the numbers are increasing

As always these are causal relations that may or may not be linked to climate change.
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #623 on: January 19, 2018, 01:40:41 PM »

Alan G, can you find any articles where warmer weather is helping some species?

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« Reply #625 on: January 19, 2018, 02:14:59 PM »

The part good news was on more vegetation.   This article shows how the Sahel Desert area will get more rain benefiting 100 million people.
https://face2faceafrica.com/article/global-warming-may-good-news-africas-driest-regions

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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #627 on: January 22, 2018, 10:03:02 PM »

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« Reply #628 on: January 23, 2018, 06:47:02 AM »

Here's some goods news about warning.
https://washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/09/14/some-good-news-about-global-warming-for-once-plants-are-speeding-up-their-use-of-carbon/

Hi Alan,

Thanks for posting that link to an interesting article. It's interesting, but it is not necessarily good news.

It depends on which plants/trees are capturing more CO2 (decaying plants release their Carbon again, trees store it for a longer period), and the more efficient use of water means that there will be a reduced cooling effect from evapotranspiration.

But, when viewed in isolation, it's interesting to see how nature tries to cope with changing CO2 levels.

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #629 on: January 23, 2018, 07:00:25 AM »

US adds tariffs for imported solar cells due to "dumping".
https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-releases/2018/january/president-trump-approves-relief-us

Assuming that the Chinese are actually dumping their PV panels (instead of just being cheaper), it also means that renewable solar/PV) energy gets more expensive for US citizens and there will be people out of a job for installation.

Cheers,
Bart
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« Reply #630 on: January 23, 2018, 08:19:20 AM »

Assuming that the Chinese are actually dumping their PV panels (instead of just being cheaper), it also means that renewable solar/PV) energy gets more expensive for US citizens and there will be people out of a job for installation.

Cheers,
Bart
Actually, according to another article I read, China only provides about 7% with most coming from Indonesia, Korea, etc.  I agree that cheap imports reduces costs for consumers. When was the last time you bought a Dutch camera? :)  On the other hand, America manufacturers and workers of solar panels are going to get a boost.  Cheap imports are good if you still have a job; not so good if they put you out of work.  Another article I read says that this tariff will only add about 3% to home owners and maybe 10% elsewhere to install systems.

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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #631 on: January 23, 2018, 08:24:32 AM »

Hi Alan,

Thanks for posting that link to an interesting article. It's interesting, but it is not necessarily good news.

It depends on which plants/trees are capturing more CO2 (decaying plants release their Carbon again, trees store it for a longer period), and the more efficient use of water means that there will be a reduced cooling effect from evapotranspiration.

But, when viewed in isolation, it's interesting to see how nature tries to cope with changing CO2 levels.

Cheers,
Bart
May intent is to show that global warming has good points and bad points.  Unfortunately, the media and interested parties have pushed only the bad points.  In order to make a reasoned decision on dealing with any change, we have to study all effects.  Otherwise we're going to arrive at the wrong solution to the issue and produce arguments from deniers that the whole issue is bogus.  It appears to many that the pushers have their thumb on the scale. 

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« Reply #632 on: January 23, 2018, 06:12:09 PM »

In order to make a reasoned decision on dealing with any change, we have to study all effects.

And see clearly the future, long before it gets here.
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #633 on: January 24, 2018, 07:59:41 AM »

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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #634 on: January 24, 2018, 08:14:49 AM »

The always interesting Eduardo Porter has a nice column in the New York Times today about the difficult choices in addressing climate change:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/business/economy/fighting-climate-change.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbusiness&action=click&contentCollection=business&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=5&pgtype=sectionfront
Alan G: No country is really doing anything to meet it's Paris commitment.  See my previous post copied below.  The author of the NYT article you quoted suggests world-wide carbon and other taxes, more an attempt to redistribute the wealth from richer people and countries to poorer people and countries, another Socialist scheme.   It won't work in any case because each country will selfishly take care of itself like is happening currently.  All the noise against Trump for pulling out of Paris is just finger pointing.  These countries are doing little too.

No major advanced industrialized country is on track to meet its pledges to control the greenhouse-gas emissions that cause climate change. So much for Paris Accord Promises.  Plain old PAP.
https://www.nature.com/news/prove-paris-was-more-than-paper-promises-1.22378

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« Reply #635 on: January 24, 2018, 08:51:07 AM »

Alan G: No country is really doing anything to meet it's Paris commitment.  See my previous post copied below.  The author of the NYT article you quoted suggests world-wide carbon and other taxes, more an attempt to redistribute the wealth from richer people and countries to poorer people and countries, another Socialist scheme.   
Some countries are doing a lot to address climate change in terms of building out solar and wind energy infrastructure.  Regarding you comment on carbon taxes as being socialist, this has been supported by a number of conservative economists as the best way to address the problem.  ExxonMobil support it as does the Niskanen Center at the Cato Institute.  Here's a summary of others who support it:  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/opinion/guess-whos-for-a-carbon-tax-now.html
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #636 on: January 24, 2018, 09:51:15 AM »

NOTICE IS GIVEN  . . . .

Relevant to the NOTICE IS SERVED post I just made I am now letting everyone know that this topic has outlived its usefulness.  This time tomorrow this topic will be locked for good.  Any attempt to start a new topic that doesn't follow the forum guidelines will be locked and deleted.

While I will acknowledge Global Warming is a large concern for me and all of us, this is not the place to address it.  I have seen the effects of Global Warming over the years on many trips to the Polar Regions. 

I suggest that we look at this issue from a photographic point of view moving forward and not a political one.

Politics on Luminous-Landscape is finished.  Let's get back to photography.
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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #637 on: January 24, 2018, 10:06:03 AM »

I want to thank Alan Goldhammer and Ray for having taken on the unrewarding task of moderating this discussion.

Since the thread will be locked and closed, there is no longer need of their moderation.

Moderation of the Coffee Corner will now revert to simple thread deletion for non-photographic topics.

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Re: Climate Change: Science and Issues
« Reply #638 on: January 24, 2018, 10:17:57 AM »

Relevant to the NOTICE IS SERVED post I just made I am now letting everyone know that this topic has outlived its usefulness.  This time tomorrow this topic will be locked for good.  Any attempt to start a new topic that doesn't follow the forum guidelines will be locked and deleted.
One request Kevin or Chris, can you pls. leave the thread "visible" after locking? There were some threads deleted and useful links lost (next to tons of bullshit). Would be nice if we can preserve the links in here for future reference.

And thanks for bearing with us so long (I know you were gritting your teeth all along) and thanks to Alan G and Ray for moderating the thread, not an easy task and they did well  :)
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« Reply #639 on: January 24, 2018, 10:18:51 AM »

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