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Zachary Goulko

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Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:23:38 am »

I'm looking to get a spectroproofer (ils30) for my P9000 along with a RIP for linearizing, profiling, optimizing profiles and generating accurate CMYK proofs with automatic verification.
Wondering if there's any other software that can create profiles with the spectroproofer directly?
Meaning, if I wanted to print a target traditionally, and create a profile like I normally would with an isis or a spectroscan.
If not, has anyone compared prints directly from the Epson driver to a RIP like EFI XF?
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 01:10:35 pm »

I'm looking to get a spectroproofer (ils30) for my P9000 along with a RIP for linearizing, profiling, optimizing profiles and generating accurate CMYK proofs with automatic verification.
Wondering if there's any other software that can create profiles with the spectroproofer directly?
Meaning, if I wanted to print a target traditionally, and create a profile like I normally would with an isis or a spectroscan.
If not, has anyone compared prints directly from the Epson driver to a RIP like EFI XF?

If you need to make cmyk proofs, specially contractor proofs,
a RIP is a must
a lot of RIPs can drive the epson spectroproofer directly these days.

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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 01:36:40 pm »

If you need to make cmyk proofs, specially contractor proofs,
a RIP is a must
a lot of RIPs can drive the epson spectroproofer directly these days.

aaron

Thanks for the reply.
Yes I'm aware of that in terms of CMYK proofing, but what I wanted to know is if any software supports RGB profiling with the spectroproofer outside of using a RIP, for example i1Profiler. I wonder why i1Profiler doesn't support it, especially given the fact that the spectroproofer is made by X-rite.
I'm sure I can get good RGB prints/profiles with a RIP, but I'm not sure how they would compare to RGB prints (with custom profiles) coming straight from Photoshop/Epson driver, as far as color gamut and quality is concerned.
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 02:37:50 pm »

Look into Ergosoft - https://www.ergosoft.net



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Thanks for the reply.
Yes I'm aware of that in terms of CMYK proofing, but what I wanted to know is if any software supports RGB profiling with the spectroproofer outside of using a RIP, for example i1Profiler. I wonder why i1Profiler doesn't support it, especially given the fact that the spectroproofer is made by X-rite.
I'm sure I can get good RGB prints/profiles with a RIP, but I'm not sure how they would compare to RGB prints (with custom profiles) coming straight from Photoshop/Epson driver, as far as color gamut and quality is concerned.
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 02:41:49 pm »

Look into Ergosoft - https://www.ergosoft.net

This appears to be a RIP as well.
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 10:27:18 am »

SO
I've done a bit of digging around and it looks like it is possible, or I should say WAS possible to do exactly what I'm looking to do.
There is software from Epson called spectroproofer utilities which allows you to load a chart, print/scan it with the spectroproofer, and export the data to use in profiling software.
However the software only supports the x900 series printers. I looked all over, including Epson.eu and it seems they no longer offer it for the P series printers. I wonder why they did away with it. This would be an ideal solution for quick profile creation with the spectroproofer on board.
http://www.spectrart.com/supports/tec-info/printing-fine-art/advanced-cms-for-fine-art-printing/spectroproofer-utilities/
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2017, 06:28:38 am »

Extract CGAT files from the Spectroproofer (if possible) and feed that into ArgyllCMS?

A similar question was asked several years ago:

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=37393


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 09:54:55 am »

This is what our color specialist stated:

Mirage with the profiling plugin add on would be an example of an RGB driver where you can create RGB profiles with the spectroproofer.  You can use EFI but that is much more expensive if you are just trying to create RGB Profiles.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2017, 09:05:08 pm »

Extract CGAT files from the Spectroproofer (if possible) and feed that into ArgyllCMS?

A similar question was asked several years ago:

http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=37393


Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

http://www.pigment-print.com/spectralplots/spectrumviz_1.htm
March 2017 update, 750+ inkjet media white spectral plots

I got the spectroproofer a couple of days ago, installed it, and tried running it with the spectroproofer for the x900 series printers. As I suspected the software doesn't recognize the P9000, so that's a no go.
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Re: Epson P9000 spectroproofer
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2017, 09:25:56 pm »

This is what our color specialist stated:

Mirage with the profiling plugin add on would be an example of an RGB driver where you can create RGB profiles with the spectroproofer.  You can use EFI but that is much more expensive if you are just trying to create RGB Profiles.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the recommendation.
Mirage has a fully functional trial for 14 days, so I decided to download it and give it a try.
It's very basic and limited in terms of options for creating profiles, but it does work and is fully automated. So all you have to do is enter your settings and it prints/scans and creates the profile for you. It even let's you print the charts from other printers, and run them through the spectroproofer at a later time. This is nice if you only have one spectroproofer but several printers. This also allows you more time to dry the prints compared to the maximum of 300 seconds in the settings, without tying up the printer for drying charts.
Here are some screenshots of all the options it gives you.
There's no way to specify lighting condition so I assume it defaults to D50.
The only other options that you have are drying time, 3 charts to chose from, and whether or not to use the UV cut. Unfortunately there's no way to extract the CGATS data or make multiple measurements for averaging.
I did create a profile with the largest chart (2433 patches) which only took about 20 minutes. That included printing and drying for 5 minutes (max allowed). I then did a couple test prints with the profile directly from Photoshop/Epson driver and the test prints looked surprisingly good.
Hope this helps someone with a spectroproofer looking to create quick and easy profiles that can be used outside of a RIP.


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