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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2016, 03:34:15 pm »

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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2016, 06:02:48 pm »

I'm 86, so I've read some asinine stuff in my life, but this idea probably takes the cake. I'm also an experienced pilot. It's easy to fly low and slow. Since I was a fighter-bomber pilot I did it many, many times. Tell me about this "flying envelope." As long as you're a bit above stall speed you can fly as low as you want to as long as you don't hit anything -- like the Pentagon. You folks need to do a bit of research before you spout off about stuff you know nothing about and make yourselves as silly-looking as you are in this thread.

Hi Russ,

Are you telling me you had never read anything about these discussions prior this post?  ;)

Out of curiosity, and based on your expertize, is the flying envelope of an airliner identical to that of a fighter bomber? Is flying low at high speed not a key design purpose of a fighter bomber and clearly not part of what airliners are designed to do?

It seems factual that the 757 was outside its flying envelope, but i agree that it doesn't mean it couldn't have flown at the reported speed/altitude. What it does probably means though is that this brings additional challenges to controling a plane in those conditions. Do you really think, as a former pilot, that a person having never flown an airliner and with zero overall flying experience, could have done this?

Anyway, as a former pilot you may be interested in these: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2016, 10:07:10 pm »

"I don't vote for Politicians, it only encourages them."
                                                                Mark Twain
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #143 on: July 19, 2016, 01:56:01 am »

I think it's going to take better speech writers.
But on the other hand it warms my heart to know that room was so receptive to Michelle's words.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #144 on: July 19, 2016, 03:59:23 am »

I think it's going to take better speech writers.
But on the other hand it warms my heart to know that room was so receptive to Michelle's words.

Hi Matt,

I agree on both counts (compare). But then, Michelle is a pretty hard act to follow, and while speech writers can help, she is a gifted speaker as well (the teleprompters seem to get little use).

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #145 on: July 19, 2016, 04:29:42 am »

I've just heard another speech by Melania Trump. Honestly, the racism she suffered when she was studying at Princeton ... appalling.

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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #146 on: July 19, 2016, 09:20:46 am »



Maybe those with gerbil wits wouldn't, but plenty of smart people would.

I'm honestly having trouble with this.  Trump has advanced very few actual realistic policy positions, and has actively advocated literal war crimes (deliberately targeting civilians/families of suspected terrorists) as solutions to the problem of terrorism.  His appeal, so far as I can see, is almost solely to the base instincts of a scared/angry demographic.  I understand why the emotional appeal resonates with a certain group of people, but for the life of me, I can't see a rational reason for voting for the guy.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #147 on: July 19, 2016, 09:49:02 am »

... for the life of me, I can't see a rational reason for voting for the guy.

It takes a bit more than taking things literally to understand why.

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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #148 on: July 19, 2016, 09:50:47 am »

Out of curiosity, and based on your expertize, is the flying envelope of an airliner identical to that of a fighter bomber?

Where did you read about a "flying envelope?" Sounds like Amazon delivering mail. Every airplane performs differently from every other airplane. What's that got to do with anything?

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Is flying low at high speed not a key design purpose of a fighter bomber and clearly not part of what airliners are designed to do?

Absolutely not. Fighter-bombers drop bombs and fighter-bombers strafe, and fighter-bombers fire rockets. Airspeed varies in all these missions. Also, you frequently fly slowly for reconnaissance purposes.

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It seems factual that the 757 was outside its flying envelope, but i agree that it doesn't mean it couldn't have flown at the reported speed/altitude. What it does probably means though is that this brings additional challenges to controling a plane in those conditions. Do you really think, as a former pilot, that a person having never flown an airliner and with zero overall flying experience, could have done this?

Here comes that Amazon mail drone again. It's no harder to fly an airplane at a relatively slow speed than it is to fly it at a high speed. It may be a little less stable but it still flies just fine. As far as your second question is concerned, evidently these guys had gone through some pilot training. If they'd flown airplanes before they probably could fly the airplane without a problem. The problems they'd have faced would be with takeoffs and landings and that wasn't part of their planned "flying envelope."

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Anyway, as a former pilot you may be interested in these: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

Interesting. I don't know who these guys are, but it appears they've swallowed their conspiracy theory whole-hog. Let me sum it up for you, Bernard: The damned airplane crashed into the Pentagon. That's the bottom line. Everything else may be up in the air (oops), but the crash is all that matters? Maybe these guys think the pilots flew their own airplane into the Pentagon. I didn't bother to read the whole article. I've seen tons of this kind of bullshit already. Don't need to read any more. The bottom line is the airplane contacting the Pentagon. That's all that really matters.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #149 on: July 19, 2016, 10:00:24 am »

I think it's going to take better speech writers...

Seems like a pen-wielding terrorist infiltrated Trump's speech writers group  ;)

A funny anecdote from Melania's home country, Slovenia. Every year there was a design contest for a poster celebrating Tito's birthday. In one of the last years of his life, a poster designed in Slovenia won. After it was officially accepted, printed and distributed, the prankster design team revealed that they deliberately copied a Nazi-era German poster for similar events. Not long after, Slovenia was the first to secede from Yugoslavia.

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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #150 on: July 19, 2016, 10:03:10 am »

. . .but for the life of me, I can't see a rational reason for voting for the guy.

Take a look at Hillary Clinton's record and her campaign. That's as rational a reason as anyone in his right mind needs. The future of the Supreme Court is another rational reason. There's one vacancy already and there's sure to be one or two more in the near future. Those replacements are going to define the court for a generation or two, and may determine the future viability of the U.S.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #151 on: July 19, 2016, 10:41:54 am »

It takes a bit more than taking things literally to understand why.

So what you're telling me is that YOU can't see any rational reason for supporting him either?  ;)
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #152 on: July 19, 2016, 10:49:18 am »

Take a look at Hillary Clinton's record and her campaign. That's as rational a reason as anyone in his right mind needs. The future of the Supreme Court is another rational reason. There's one vacancy already and there's sure to be one or two more in the near future. Those replacements are going to define the court for a generation or two, and may determine the future viability of the U.S.

No, Russ, "Hillary is worse" isn't a reason why Trump is qualified, capable, or reasonable.  As for the USSC, I'm always surprised when conservatives act as if they are nobly standing guard over the laws and traditions this nation when, in fact, it is the conservative wing that has gone to incredible semantic lengths to defend a lack of equal protection under the law, not to mention our rights to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure.  Of course, the standard reply is that liberals are anti-second amendment, but since Heller found an individual right to bear arms, gun rights haven't rolled back at all, but equal protection and 5th amendment rights have been under almost constant attack by a 5-4 conservative majority (albeit with Kennedy sometimes serving as a rational centrist, and Roberts occasionally deferring to the legislative branch's assumed intent).
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #153 on: July 19, 2016, 10:55:43 am »

Hi James, You don't tell us which planet you're on but it obviously isn't Earth.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #154 on: July 19, 2016, 11:04:26 am »

Hi James, You don't tell us which planet you're on but it obviously isn't Earth.

Quality response. Why don't you explain to me how the dissents/decisions written by Ginsberg/Kagan/Sotomayor/Breyer either would have or do "threaten the future viability of the US," because I can sure as hell point out decisions and opinions written by the conservative wing that are directly contrary to the Enlightenment foundations of the US Constitution.

Until you can do that, your contention that an HRC presidency would be cataclysmic to the future of the nation because of who she would appoint to the USSC can, I think, safety be construed as, if not paranoia, wholly lacking in logic (unless you're one of those people who are convinced that the Gay Agenda is coming for you, but I believe you are better than that.)
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #155 on: July 19, 2016, 11:20:13 am »

Take a look at Hillary Clinton's record and her campaign. That's as rational a reason as anyone in his right mind needs. The future of the Supreme Court is another rational reason. There's one vacancy already and there's sure to be one or two more in the near future. Those replacements are going to define the court for a generation or two, and may determine the future viability of the U.S.

I agree. This is a great list of reasons to vote for Hillary over Trump. Sold!
On a serious note the SCOTUS vacancies are probably the number one reason to keep Trump out of office.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #156 on: July 19, 2016, 11:23:45 am »

Sorry James, I'm simply out of time. There's no way I could convince you that you're wrong. That's okay. I think the election is well under control at the moment. I suspect Ginsburg will be the next to go off the court. She ought to be off right now after her recent comments, but our system leaves it up to her. If we have a Republican congress and a Democrat court the congress may exercise their right under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution to limit the court's jurisdiction on matters of policy. That would be a good thing.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #157 on: July 19, 2016, 11:35:04 am »

Sorry James, I'm simply out of time. There's no way I could convince you that you're wrong. That's okay. I think the election is well under control at the moment. I suspect Ginsburg will be the next to go off the court. She ought to be off right now after her recent comments, but our system leaves it up to her. If we have a Republican congress and a Democrat court the congress may exercise their right under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution to limit the court's jurisdiction on matters of policy. That would be a good thing.

Have a great day, then, Russ :)  FWIW, I agree that Ginsburg's comments were unbecoming of her position and improper, though I'd argue that your mistaken in your assertion that there is a "republican" or "democrat" court.
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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
« Reply #158 on: July 19, 2016, 11:47:42 am »

... I agree that Ginsburg's comments were unbecoming of her position and improper...

I am torn on this one. On the one hand, the value of free speech is that we know where people stand. She had, and will continue to have, a negative opinion of Trump, whether that was public or not. I guess, in this case, I would rather know. On the other hand, it is pretty much the same as a waiter spitting in your soup in the kitchen or in front of you. I which case, I would rather not know  ;)

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Re: What would it take for Trump to win?
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