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Re: Brexit
« Reply #340 on: June 30, 2016, 02:14:47 pm »

Haven't checked out Boris's latest turn, too busy doing important things like lunching in cheap bars and helping to keep LuLa viable, after which I shall take a further journey into inner space as I unseal the marine varnish and launch another (possibly brief) attack on the ever-waiting shutters outside the french windows. They taunt me every year, a bit like that Forth Road Bridge. I don't, of course, feel any sense of responsibility whatsoever towards the Bridge, but I do for the shutters. True love-hate.

I'm looking forward to hearing about Kiwi bikers helping out UK diplomats!

Rob C

I don't quite see the connection between bikers and NZ trade negotiators but I do hope there is one.  Meanwhile a Dutch friend asks why it is OK for the British to want to stop immigration while their pensionado's colonise the Mediterranean!
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #341 on: June 30, 2016, 02:26:04 pm »

So?

Or is the above indignation just another way of saying that only highly educated should be allowed to vote?

Come to think of it, if we allow only highly educated to vote, there would be no need to vote at all, as we all know that, once you are highly educated, you'd reach the same conclusion as the next highly educated guy.
Highly educated people are better at argueing why they have the same silly opinions as the less educated ones.

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #342 on: June 30, 2016, 02:30:45 pm »

Highly educated people are better at argueing why they have the same silly opinions as the less educated ones.

Brilliant!

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #343 on: June 30, 2016, 03:05:56 pm »

Whatever your views on Brexit this is unmissable -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6HNXtdvVQ

It's the best downfall of Hitler parody yet.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #344 on: June 30, 2016, 03:15:34 pm »

I was watching France24's debate this evening, and it was, obviously, about Brexit.

One participant was a shrill Londoner lady living in NY NY, who wouldn't allow her main opposition speaker the silence within which to say his piece. (She is an ex-Conservative official of some sort.) She simply didn't understand why he might be miffed to see his journalistic career in Paris coming to an end. Somehow, the appropriate action for him, she said, was that he become French. That he is English and intends to remain English didn't register; the confusion in her mind that you have to be one or the other was really surprising - or maybe not. Perhaps the richer southern England ladies see a different form of life to the rest of us. The funnist thing was to hear her incessantly say 'the people have spoken' as if she were in some workers' meeting or another. I don't think she'd recognize - and certainly wouldn't understand what they were saying - if she ever did come face to face with one of the 'people'. Jeez, I could hardly understand her!

The guy brought up the matter of old British people living in Portugal, and her response was the same. I wonder if she imagines that all pensioners also enjoy private means, dip into some family vault as and when... you know, jolly back and forth from one home to the next as the seasons dictate. Ah, winter: must be Antibes.

Nobody on the show confused retirees with colonizers; at least even she, Ms. Shrill, wasn't that thick. Neither did she draw a parallel between people having a right to vote (which neither the Brit journo working in Paris had, nor did I) with the notion of taxation and representation, which would obviously imply that were you unfortunate enough to find yourself employed long-term, paying no tax, then you should automatically be denied your suffrage until you got your act together again and started paying into the system. On the other hand, perhaps not such a bad idea after all! But of course, she didn't have it.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #345 on: June 30, 2016, 03:32:12 pm »

I was watching France24's debate this evening, and it was, obviously, about Brexit.

One participant was a shrill Londoner lady living in NY NY, who wouldn't allow her main opposition speaker the silence within which to say his piece. (She is an ex-Conservative official of some sort.) She simply didn't understand why he might be miffed to see his journalistic career in Paris coming to an end. Somehow, the appropriate action for him, she said, was that he become French. That he is English and intends to remain English didn't register; the confusion in her mind that you have to be one or the other was really surprising - or maybe not. Perhaps the richer southern England ladies see a different form of life to the rest of us. The funnist thing was to hear her incessantly say 'the people have spoken' as if she were in some workers' meeting or another. I don't think she'd recognize - and certainly wouldn't understand what they were saying - if she ever did come face to face with one of the 'people'. Jeez, I could hardly understand her!

The guy brought up the matter of old British people living in Portugal, and her response was the same. I wonder if she imagines that all pensioners also enjoy private means, dip into some family vault as and when... you know, jolly back and forth from one home to the next as the seasons dictate. Ah, winter: must be Antibes.

Nobody on the show confused retirees with colonizers; at least even she, Ms. Shrill, wasn't that thick. Neither did she draw a parallel between people having a right to vote (which neither the Brit journo working in Paris had, nor did I) with the notion of taxation and representation, which would obviously imply that were you unfortunate enough to find yourself employed long-term, paying no tax, then you should automatically be denied your suffrage until you got your act together again and started paying into the system. On the other hand, perhaps not such a bad idea after all! But of course, she didn't have it.

Of course Rob, of course.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #346 on: June 30, 2016, 05:38:58 pm »

Boris just chickened out, so much for taking responsibility for your own actions  ???

There are some interesting rumours emerging not unconnected with his well known appreciation of the fairer sex.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #347 on: June 30, 2016, 06:01:11 pm »

Boris vs Brutus

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/michael-gove-brutus-boris-johnsons-caesar/

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‘A time not to fight against the tide of history but to take that tide at the flood and sail on to fortune.’

a speech by Brutus in William Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar:

    There is a tide in the affairs of men.
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #348 on: June 30, 2016, 06:10:18 pm »

It struck me that we expat pensioners have just become the new European Jews: newly stateless.

Interesting times.

Rob

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #349 on: June 30, 2016, 10:14:12 pm »


Until you think about rabies and bird 'flu. I won't mention brown snakes and killer spiders, of course.

Have a good day! Watch where you tread, and look under the toilet seat!

;-)

Rob

Where would we be if we didn't have things to worry about, like poisonous snakes and the negative consequences of Brexit?  ;)

Whenever I've come across snakes in the wild, they are always trying to get away from me. The reality is, very few people die of snake bites in Australia, and no-one has died of a spider bite since 1979.

Injuries and fatalities from vehicle accidents, in the cities and the countryside, are far, far more of a risk.

http://www.bobinoz.com/migration-advice/australias-killer-creatures-the-truth-about-deaths/
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2016, 02:46:49 am »

And you thought the British were handling this badly??

No negotiations until you're out (I'm not sure if this works outside the UK)

Apparently we must invoke Article 50, leave and then negotiate trade terms. You could not make it up.

This is in part what seems to be wrong with the EU and once again riles the British people, well at least one.

Mike
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #351 on: July 01, 2016, 03:46:22 am »

And you thought the British were handling this badly??

No negotiations until you're out (I'm not sure if this works outside the UK)

Apparently we must invoke Article 50, leave and then negotiate trade terms. You could not make it up.

This is in part what seems to be wrong with the EU and once again riles the British people, well at least one.

Mike
Well the UK knew all of this before they started the referendum, they went in with their eyes open.
You can't change the rules after the play has begun, this needs to happen before you start.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #352 on: July 01, 2016, 03:57:29 am »

I didn't realise that was the case. To be honest given that this is the first time the procedure has been seriously considered did anyone know this? It's not the renegotiation, it's the saying first complete the leave and then negotiate. Where does that leave all the German cars we buy? I have probably misunderstood :)
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #353 on: July 01, 2016, 04:05:06 am »

Well the UK knew all of this before they started the referendum, they went in with their eyes open.
You can't change the rules after the play has begun, this needs to happen before you start.

Rather, with their ears ringing with lies.

I think I have had enough of this thread - no reference to you, pegelli - just that the pointlessness of it all eventually comes home. It's done: the lemmings took us with them; the tail beat the dog to death and the toilets pressured back.

Rob

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #354 on: July 01, 2016, 04:50:33 am »

I didn't realise that was the case. To be honest given that this is the first time the procedure has been seriously considered did anyone know this? It's not the renegotiation, it's the saying first complete the leave and then negotiate. Where does that leave all the German cars we buy? I have probably misunderstood :)
I'm not 100% sure but I guess this procedure is part of article 50 which was negotiated and agreed by all member states (incl. the UK). I also guess it's up to the UK to determine the import duties on imported cars from the remaining EU countries. This will probably be set by how much EU will charge on imports from the UK.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #355 on: July 01, 2016, 04:53:46 am »

Rather, with their ears ringing with lies.

I think I have had enough of this thread - no reference to you, pegelli - just that the pointlessness of it all eventually comes home. It's done: the lemmings took us with them; the tail beat the dog to death and the toilets pressured back.

Rob
Well, the public went in like that but the politicians should have known. Agree this thread is a bit pointless, it seems it will happen whether we like it or not. Hope it all works out OK for you.
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #356 on: July 01, 2016, 07:39:16 am »

I'm not 100% sure but I guess this procedure is part of article 50 which was negotiated and agreed by all member states (incl. the UK). I also guess it's up to the UK to determine the import duties on imported cars from the remaining EU countries. This will probably be set by how much EU will charge on imports from the UK.

Yes, and that's when the shit hits the fan. If import duties lead to higher prices, car manufacturers will consider moving their production sites back to their main market e.g. Europe, which hurts local employment. This all doesn't bode well for the UK (or British?) economy.

They'll also have to take a very close look at their trade deficit, things will get more expensive because they import more than they export (like e.g. automobiles while being produced locally).

It looks like the politically motivated move to promise a referendum did not take into account the reality that we (like it or not) live in a global village, even those on an island do. Anyway, a referendum about such a complex issue cannot be answered by a simple yes or no, so it's senseless to risk having it in the first place. But the die has been cast, "Alea iacta est" (attr. Julius Caesar).

Cheers,
Bart
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Re: Brexit
« Reply #357 on: July 01, 2016, 07:54:50 am »

Most people didn't realise what they were really voting for. A good number voted to leave to control immigration and didn't care or understand the other issues. A gigantic con? A lot of the leave brigade are insisting the vote is final regardless of how negotiations go. What a stinking mess. :'(

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Re: Brexit
« Reply #358 on: July 01, 2016, 08:43:18 am »

Freedom and sovereignty costs.  The British decided.

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« Reply #359 on: July 01, 2016, 08:58:01 am »

Freedom and sovereignty costs.  The British decided.

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