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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2016, 05:22:07 am »

That's all very interesting, I hope the entry level gets good pricing.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2016, 06:35:40 am »

It's coming this month of March...(i guess*) ; )
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2016, 09:27:31 am »

It's coming this month of March...(i guess*) ; )

With Hasselblad, Fuji, a possible Sony, and a possible Pentax refresh, I guess somebody will make a break first and preannounce. My guess is it will be Hasselblad, they really need to counterbalance the 100MP from Phase and the rumors of financial issues. The problem, as always is avoiding the Osborne effect - moving inventory of the retiring milk-cow when the next one is known but not yet ready to sell.

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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2016, 01:59:12 pm »

The Osborne effect won't apply as the 100MP plays in the IQ380 space in Phase, but the -60 or the -50c Hasselblads aren't really in the same space.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2016, 03:58:01 pm »

The Osborne effect won't apply as the 100MP plays in the IQ380 space in Phase, but the -60 or the -50c Hasselblads aren't really in the same space.

I think they would be crazy to do a new body in 100MP at first, that is where focus and tolerances are toughest. Start easy ...
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2016, 11:24:13 pm »


OK.... forget about the H6 (it's old news)... let's talk about the H7... or 8... or there after!  ;D
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2016, 11:39:59 pm »

They'll skip the H8 cause otherwise everybody'd be H8n on Hasselblad again.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2016, 06:08:09 pm »

Just back from London.

Heard the same. A H6D50 and a H6D100. Both before the Photokina.

We will see .....
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2016, 07:27:22 pm »


If there was one thing that H5X is missing, I reckon it is a focal plane shutter to replace those "closets" that Hasselblad is traditionally using to block light from "hitting" the sensor (or film)... I guess it's about time that Hasselblad goes "focal plane" too as everybody else has... Other than the leaf shutter not needed at all in UWA lenses, it also makes lenses bulkier, slower and more expensive for no reason at many focal lengths... I think Leica's decision to only have 4-5 lenses offered with leaf shutter as an alternative is the correct one... One that needs leaf shutter, doesn't need it in more than a couple (maximum three) lenses... It will mean that new lenses without leaf shutter build in won't be compatible with older bodies, but one has to start from somewhere as to make things right...

Don't know if an H6x is coming, don't care to discuss that either, but I do know that a Hasselblad with focal plane shutter, faster lenses and compatible with the leaf shutter lenses that one only needs, would be very tempting for all C645, Rollei 6xxx & HY-6 and older H1 & H2 Hassys to replace their platform for a modern one... Especially if somebody will offer adapters as for these people to keep their lenses by adapting them on the new platform (Hasselblad has by far the shortest lens mounting distance out of all MF cameras that can use 6x4.5 film).... which, (meaning the adapters) fingers crossed will be available soon (but only for leaf shutter lenses if things stay as they are and Hassy doesn't incorporate a focal plane shutter in their future bodies)....
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2016, 08:38:03 pm »

H5D-50c is listed for $16,500 - pretty much saying there will be a new releases soon.

A focal plane shutter would be nice, but they're not going to redesign & re-release all their lenses to account for it, so why bother?
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2016, 03:19:22 am »

I just checked with my shop, getting a H5D-50c Wifi with 28/50/100 would cost about 4000€ less than a IQ150 with 645DF+ and Shneider LS 28/55/110. With the Credo 50 I save 3000€, bringing prices much closer. That's with the old H5D-50c pricing of 21k. If they update their pricing to be closer to the new listing, it's going to be way cheaper.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2016, 04:40:42 am »

I just checked with my shop, getting a H5D-50c Wifi with 28/50/100 would cost about 4000€ less than a IQ150 with 645DF+ and Shneider LS 28/55/110. With the Credo 50 I save 3000€, bringing prices much closer. That's with the old H5D-50c pricing of 21k. If they update their pricing to be closer to the new listing, it's going to be way cheaper.

Current special in the US is a Credo 50 and XF:
https://digitaltransitions.com/special-credo-50-xf-kit-19995/

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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2016, 06:32:55 am »

Current special in the US is a Credo 50 and XF:
https://digitaltransitions.com/special-credo-50-xf-kit-19995/

Too bad you guys don't have a EU store and import taxes would just kill me!
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2016, 01:18:54 pm »

At this stage if you are not in a hurry to buy I would just sit and wait a bit. It will be interesting to see the new Hasselblad pricing and how that may have a knock on effect on others...either way there is a new Hassie coming out which will address all the concerns the 'Other Manufacturer' was using as ammo to sell. Best to compare like with like right ! :-)

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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2016, 01:31:21 pm »

Agreed! I have to wait anyway for financial reasons, but this year could be interesting.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2016, 02:28:23 pm »

At this stage if you are not in a hurry to buy I would just sit and wait a bit. It will be interesting to see the new Hasselblad pricing and how that may have a knock on effect on others...either way there is a new Hassie coming out which will address all the concerns the 'Other Manufacturer' was using as ammo to sell. Best to compare like with like right ! :-)

You are right, Sinar will doubtless release a product for archival and museum use, in due course. :)

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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2016, 10:28:55 am »

An H6D-50c wifi with dual card slots, usb 3.x, and a higher rez screen would check major boxes for me.  I just invested in some more HCD glass so will be sticking with the cropped format Hassy for the foreseeable future.  I hope they can keep the pricing structure similar to the current 50c wifi pricing, or that at least more rental houses would pick them up.  My two local dealers don't even have the H5D-50c wifi in their rental inventory.  An H6D-100 would be very welcome as well.   

This should definitely be an interesting year for MF and Phase kicked it off with a bang with the IQ3 100.  Current pricing on the 645z/H5D-50c wifi/Credo 50 is attractive, but the 645z/H5D-50c are both ~two years old and probably due for a refresh, the Credo 50 is newer but probably due for a refresh as well (althought it just got new life with XF compatibility).  Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing what Hasselblad has in store for us in the future re: H series cameras. 
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2016, 02:09:48 pm »

Too bad you guys don't have a EU store and import taxes would just kill me!

Duty or import taxes would be based on country of origin - Phase One (Denmark) and Hasselblad (Sweden). So buying from the US and importing into EU should not attract import duty, only local VAT.
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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2016, 09:52:39 am »

Well, let's hope something new comes out and prices get lower, because by reading only this forum one could be led to assume that medium format has become an exclusive preserve of art institutions and very successful individuals who use Phase One. It is not clear whether this is an effect of pricing, or of 35mmm finally becoming "good enough".  However, what makes the situation even harder to read is that there are zillions of old Hasselblad/Imacon, Phase and Sinar tethered backs for sale on ebay around $1K, and an old Mac tower computer configuration to drive these comfortably would be $500 or less. So if medium format tethering is so wonderful, why don't studio shooters buy old trucks (old MF) rather than new cars (new 35mm)? Or are these guys getting the info about old model Hassy filter fungus and legacy firewire arcana, "elsewhere" ? Or are they frightened by the fact that nobody would repair an old back at reasonable cost?

Maybe MF pricing and modularity has really created a chicken and egg problem. Most shooters have never used digital MF and have written it off as too complex, too expensive. In a way, only Leica and Pentax have managed to buck this impression, and they have released very modern understandable cameras that are in fact oversized SLRs.

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Re: Hasselblad H6D
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2016, 11:21:50 am »

In EU anything below 1000€ is either a very old Leaf that requires some weird cables, or old Phase One backs that can only be shot tethered. While someone in the studio might be fine with that, they will also end up with something that costs quite a bit as a complete system (back + body + lenses + Mac) and that still has a 24x36mm sensor (or a weird 36x36mm).

Imacon backs start from 1400€ for the back alone in H mount (which means spending 2000€ to 4000€ more for body+lens in good conditions), or a complete V system with a 150mm Sonnar. All Imacon solutions are based on the Imagebank (or can be tethered directly to a Mac), which grounds them in the studio. At least those have sensors bigger than 35mm cameras.

Anything more modern than that, and you're looking at spending something between 4500€ and 8000€ (without going to the various IQ/Credo and H5D stuff), at which point you are much better off paying a bit more and getting something new OR investing all that money in a complete 35mm system with two bodies.

Prices on the used market haven't changed much from last year and they look less and less interesting as very old stuff is being sold at quite high prices. Leica S is even worse than that, as it loses value slowly and the difference between used and new prices isn't that much to even bother. Pentax used is pretty much just the 645D, if you can even find one. But good luck with the lenses.

Then there is the odd Mamiya branded DM or ZD back, which may come in wildly differing prices because some people don't seem to have a clue what the value should be. Oh, and the rarest of them all, a Kodak back! I've only ever seen one and it was gone in a few minutes, but it's not like you have that much choice.

Probably the best of them all has to be finding a good H3D kit. You will be stuck with an old back, but it will have at least a better screen than the H2D or H101 solutions.
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