Sony RX1R II ( RX1R II DSC-RX1RM2 )

[JV]

RX1R -> RX1R II = Jun 2013 -> Oct 2015

Something about the exception proving the rule comes to mind...

The first $500 off deals on the A7rII start appearing now that A7sII and RX1RII have been announced...

[JV]

As far as the M9 goes, it is a nice object but a much worse camera in every measurable way.

Amazing images in good light.  Skin tones that blow away any Sony or Fuji or whatever.  As a camera unfortunately sometimes a bit too quirky and unreliable. 

[Paulo Bizarro]

Why talk about the price? The RX1 was also expensive, would you expect the sucessor to be cheaper??? This is all very personal, but as a reportage or travel camera, the RX1RII without image stabilization, will demand careful technique to get the most out of the high rez sensor.

I mean, do you really need such high rez for your travel - leisure - street pics? To me it is a bit of overkill, but I understand others may have diferente requirements.

[hjulenissen]

I also find it surprising that IBIS and the 4k/high-sensor-readout of the RX100M4 did not make it into this camera. Personally, I would be a lot more excited about IBIS than the latter.

I think it will be a great camera. The lack of a built-in EVF was (in my view) a critical flaw with the predecessor. Improved AF should make it a lot more versatile.

-h

[chez]

Sony cameras are good for six months max until they release another "improved" model.  I'd never buy a Sony camera. Sony TV yes

Yeh...and the one you bought spontaneously disintegrates when the new one comes out. Do you buy gear to actually take photos?

[AlterEgo]

Something about the exception proving the rule comes to mind...

The first $500 off deals on the A7rII start appearing now that A7sII and RX1RII have been announced...

yes = grey market or returned/open boxes/etc... those most probably perfect cameras, but not genuine deals for genuinely new domestic market product, no ?

[razrblck]

Why is everyone so fixated with IBIS? People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years. I'm sure some people here even managed really sharp pictures handheld with a medium format camera and an 80MP back without any kind of sensor stabilization.

[AlterEgo]

People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years.

certainly... even broken clock shows the right time twice a day

[adrian tyler]

it's a 35mm leaf shutter camera, IBIS, to my mind is is last on my list of priorities.

i've been using the rx1 for two years and have done a great deal of work with it.
as a previous poster said, i think a 42mp sensor is a bit of overkill, i may control the urge to upgrade as i really, really like the rx1, i'd go as far as to say its the best camera i've had, with the hasselbled swc coming in close second and ebony SU 4x5 with schnieder 80mm xl third (both long gone.) the leica m6 too.

if it had a 50mm version i'd be in 7th heaven...

[Paulo Bizarro]

Why is everyone so fixated with IBIS? People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years. I'm sure some people here even managed really sharp pictures handheld with a medium format camera and an 80MP back without any kind of sensor stabilization.

I was comparing to the Leica Q. It is funny that a tech-heavy company can not put image stabilization in the camera, while the non-tech Leica can...

Of course people have also taken photos for 100 years without silicon chips, without auto-focus, and bla bla bla. That was not the pint.

[adrian tyler]

i think they didn't do it because it's a 35mm leaf shutter camera, and therefore camera shake is not a big an issue.
certainly with my 2 years with the rx1 camera vibration has not been a problem, if i'm not being critical i can get down to 20th second and iso 1600 is ok.

or maybe they are saving it for all us suckers for the next upgrade... i recon the body'd need to be a tad thicker?

that movable screen is good though... and the evf, and if the sensor does everything the a7rii one does, i may just get suckered because that is one sweet 35mm lens...

[hjulenissen]

or maybe they are saving it for all us suckers for the next upgrade... i recon the body'd need to be a tad thicker?

They have had IBIS in the smaller RX100 line since day one. Granted, that is a smaller sensor but it is also a smaller camera. I think that they are into rapid design cycles where they add a few features at a time.

To me the RX1R II is primarily a hand-held camera. Equipping it with 42 MP and having a great lens should make the lack of IBIS more apparent. Happily, the lens is semi-wide and high ISO performance should be good, but I still appreciate stabilization (or even better: a stand) even at wide angles.

-h

[AlterEgo]

while the non-tech Leica can...

you mean to procure what moves an optical element implementing OIS from Panasonic... yes, leica can do that.

[Paulo Bizarro]

you mean to procure what moves an optical element implementing OIS from Panasonic... yes, leica can do that.

If you want to go down that route, well, the lens in the RX1 is ZEISS, so Sony can procure it too and do it that way...

At least the lens in the Leica Q is Leica... but again, that is not the point...

As others have said, it is odd that Sony chose not to put image stabilization in the new RX1; I think it would be very useful, leaf shutter or no leaf shutter. Just think about video...

[adrian tyler]

point taken.