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Equipment & Techniques => Mirrorless Cameras => Topic started by: AlterEgo on October 14, 2015, 11:47:49 am
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Sony RX1R II ( RX1R II DSC-RX1RM2 )
http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/91ah/index.html?contentsTop=1 (http://www.sony.net/Products/di/en-us/products/91ah/index.html?contentsTop=1)
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They should release a 85mm f2.0 version. With its 1/2000 sec flash sync speed it would be a killer flash combo for discrete outdoor photography together with a profoto B2.
As it is, it must hurt Leica pretty hard. Not sure why anyone would prefer the Q over this beauty?
Cheers,
Bernard
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They should release a 85mm f2.0 version. With its 1/2000 sec flash sync speed it would be a killer flash combo for discrete outdoor photography together with a profoto B2.
As it is, it must hurt Leica pretty hard. Not sure why anyone would prefer the Q over this beauty?
Cheers,
Bernard
Who says the lenses look alike?
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I'll leave the relative beauty of the lenses to others, but I am glad that Sony is finally updating the RX1. With wishful thinking that the RX1 would get the D800/a7R sensor in 2014, I recycled my RX1 in late 2013 and have often missed it since then. It was one of those rare tools that was "just right" for many situations needing a small camera. An RX100iii or a Panasonic GM5 now fill that niche for me, but the final image quality is a long way from those RX1 files.
Regards, Rick
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This is wonderful news! The RX1R has been my favorite camera for shooting just about everything over the last couple of years. The IQ with the new sensor should be out of this world. I would even go as far as to say that this camera will match and even go beyond 50MP medium cameras. We will see but I'm ready to order this bad boy!
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Not sure why anyone would prefer the Q over this beauty?
Even if that were true, which I am not convinced of, you should thank Leica for kicking Sony's ass...
And given that they are different focal lengths, why not own both...?
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Even if that were true, which I am not convinced of, you should thank Leica for kicking Sony's ass...
And given that they are different focal lengths, why not own both...?
I don't really look at this from a brand standpoint, just as 2 options for compact FF cameras.
The Leica is of course better if you absolutely prefer 28mm.
But I believe most potential buyers would consider 28mm and 35mm to be 2 reasonnably credible options for general shooting with a fixed focal. I would think that other aspects, including lens quality of course, should be more important than focal length.
Cheers,
Bernard
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The Leica has image stabilization, which could be important.
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Overpriced! $3200 list...$2400 is about right
The RX1 was so slow to operate - AF was practically useless for anything besides landscapes; the macro mode was meh at best.
The new body has 5fps - but if the AF is is the same...who cares.
Image quality was wonderful on the RX1.
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The RX1 was so slow to operate - AF was practically useless for anything besides landscapes; the macro mode was meh at best.
The new body has 5fps - but if the AF is is the same...who cares.
You didn't bother reading the pres release, did you? ;)
Cheers,
Bernard
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According to Sony: "AF response is about 30% faster"...than the RX1
sorry still lousy...especially for a $3200 camera. I can do better for less $s -
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According to Sony: "AF response is about 30% faster"...than the RX1
sorry still lousy...especially for a $3200 camera. I can do better for less $s -
I think the list of high resolution fixed prime lens "FF" cameras that'll fit on a jacket pocket is rather short.
Good luck finding a better one.
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Overpriced! $3200 list...$2400 is about right
The RX1 was so slow to operate - AF was practically useless for anything besides landscapes; the macro mode was meh at best.
The new body has 5fps - but if the AF is is the same...who cares.
Image quality was wonderful on the RX1.
It's the same AF as the a7R II which is VERY usable.
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Sony cameras are good for six months max until they release another "improved" model. I'd never buy a Sony camera. Sony TV yes
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Sony cameras are good for six months max until they release another "improved" model. I'd never buy a Sony camera. Sony TV yes
RX1R -> RX1R II = Jun 2013 -> Oct 2015
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Glass half full, A 42 MP pocket camera with fixed 35mm Zeiss lens.
I could see myself having one in the pocket of my fishing vest for traveling light, but still being able to make a top quality picture.
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Glass half full, A 42 MP pocket camera with fixed 35mm Zeiss lens.
I could see myself having one in the pocket of my fishing vest for traveling light, but still being able to make a top quality picture.
I don't think this is really a "pocket" camera, even the RX100M4 is not that anymore.
More like something that can be dropped into a travel pack.
At the same price you can get a Leica M9, and add some old Elmar lens. I know which I'd choose as a keeper.
I mean, look at the image on this site, linked below, this thing beats the record on number of control wheels and viewfinder per square centimeter for a camera released this century. Only the Jaeger Le Coulter Compass probably surpasses it, and that is about 60 years older.
(https://luminous-landscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/DSC2139.jpg) (photo luminous landscape, fair use)
(https://p2.liveauctioneers.com/427/10947/2668427_1_l.jpg) (auction image, from liveauctioneers.com, fair use).
Edmund
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A comparison of the features:
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/round-ups/camera_comparisons/sony-rx1-r-ii-vs-leica-q-typ-116-63084
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According to Sony: "AF response is about 30% faster"...than the RX1
sorry still lousy...especially for a $3200 camera. I can do better for less $s -
I'll personally give it a try before forming such a definitive opinion.
Cheers,
Bernard
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At the same price you can get a Leica M9, and add some old Elmar lens. I know which I'd choose as a keeper.
I mean, look at the image on this site, linked below, this thing beats the record on number of control wheels and viewfinder per square centimeter for a camera released this century.
Hum... configure it in A mode at f2.8 and auto ISO and the shutter release is the only dial you'll ever have to activate, that's one dial less than the Leica since you won't have to manual focus. If I were you I would stop photography all together and get into zen contemplation. That will remove the need to use the shutter once for all! ;)
As far as the M9 goes, it is a nice object but a much worse camera in every measurable way. Sure, there are some sweet lenses, but add one those and you are around 5,000 US$ instead of 3,000 US$.
Cheers,
Bernard
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RX1R -> RX1R II = Jun 2013 -> Oct 2015
Something about the exception proving the rule comes to mind...
The first $500 off deals on the A7rII start appearing now that A7sII and RX1RII have been announced...
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As far as the M9 goes, it is a nice object but a much worse camera in every measurable way.
Amazing images in good light. Skin tones that blow away any Sony or Fuji or whatever. As a camera unfortunately sometimes a bit too quirky and unreliable.
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Why talk about the price? The RX1 was also expensive, would you expect the sucessor to be cheaper??? This is all very personal, but as a reportage or travel camera, the RX1RII without image stabilization, will demand careful technique to get the most out of the high rez sensor.
I mean, do you really need such high rez for your travel - leisure - street pics? To me it is a bit of overkill, but I understand others may have diferente requirements.
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I also find it surprising that IBIS and the 4k/high-sensor-readout of the RX100M4 did not make it into this camera. Personally, I would be a lot more excited about IBIS than the latter.
I think it will be a great camera. The lack of a built-in EVF was (in my view) a critical flaw with the predecessor. Improved AF should make it a lot more versatile.
-h
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Sony cameras are good for six months max until they release another "improved" model. I'd never buy a Sony camera. Sony TV yes
Yeh...and the one you bought spontaneously disintegrates when the new one comes out. Do you buy gear to actually take photos?
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Something about the exception proving the rule comes to mind...
The first $500 off deals on the A7rII start appearing now that A7sII and RX1RII have been announced...
yes = grey market or returned/open boxes/etc... those most probably perfect cameras, but not genuine deals for genuinely new domestic market product, no ?
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Why is everyone so fixated with IBIS? People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years. I'm sure some people here even managed really sharp pictures handheld with a medium format camera and an 80MP back without any kind of sensor stabilization.
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People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years.
certainly... even broken clock shows the right time twice a day
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it's a 35mm leaf shutter camera, IBIS, to my mind is is last on my list of priorities.
i've been using the rx1 for two years and have done a great deal of work with it.
as a previous poster said, i think a 42mp sensor is a bit of overkill, i may control the urge to upgrade as i really, really like the rx1, i'd go as far as to say its the best camera i've had, with the hasselbled swc coming in close second and ebony SU 4x5 with schnieder 80mm xl third (both long gone.) the leica m6 too.
if it had a 50mm version i'd be in 7th heaven...
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Why is everyone so fixated with IBIS? People have managed to take sharp pictures handheld for like a hundred years. I'm sure some people here even managed really sharp pictures handheld with a medium format camera and an 80MP back without any kind of sensor stabilization.
I was comparing to the Leica Q. It is funny that a tech-heavy company can not put image stabilization in the camera, while the non-tech Leica can...
Of course people have also taken photos for 100 years without silicon chips, without auto-focus, and bla bla bla. That was not the pint.
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i think they didn't do it because it's a 35mm leaf shutter camera, and therefore camera shake is not a big an issue.
certainly with my 2 years with the rx1 camera vibration has not been a problem, if i'm not being critical i can get down to 20th second and iso 1600 is ok.
or maybe they are saving it for all us suckers for the next upgrade... i recon the body'd need to be a tad thicker?
that movable screen is good though... and the evf, and if the sensor does everything the a7rii one does, i may just get suckered because that is one sweet 35mm lens...
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or maybe they are saving it for all us suckers for the next upgrade... i recon the body'd need to be a tad thicker?
They have had IBIS in the smaller RX100 line since day one. Granted, that is a smaller sensor but it is also a smaller camera. I think that they are into rapid design cycles where they add a few features at a time.
To me the RX1R II is primarily a hand-held camera. Equipping it with 42 MP and having a great lens should make the lack of IBIS more apparent. Happily, the lens is semi-wide and high ISO performance should be good, but I still appreciate stabilization (or even better: a stand) even at wide angles.
-h
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while the non-tech Leica can...
you mean to procure what moves an optical element implementing OIS from Panasonic... yes, leica can do that.
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you mean to procure what moves an optical element implementing OIS from Panasonic... yes, leica can do that.
If you want to go down that route, well, the lens in the RX1 is ZEISS, so Sony can procure it too and do it that way...
At least the lens in the Leica Q is Leica... but again, that is not the point...
As others have said, it is odd that Sony chose not to put image stabilization in the new RX1; I think it would be very useful, leaf shutter or no leaf shutter. Just think about video...
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point taken.