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spassig

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C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« on: September 09, 2015, 07:36:27 am »

Hello

I study C1 for some time.
I have a question about color and color balance / editor.
Hope attachment help for question.

In C1-V8.3.2 the tool color balance show good colors.
In C1-V8.3.2 the tool color editor show very bad colors.
Both on iMac.
My questions are:
Why so horrible colors in color editor?
Why pieces of cakes have different sizes in color editor?
Why have the green pieces of cake bigger size as the other?
Does the number by Ton drehen mean the angle from color wheel?

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Jochen

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David Grover / Capture One

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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2015, 03:57:21 am »

Hi Jochen,

If you are unhappy about the Basic Color Editor I would simply use the Advanced tab where you can specify more accurately the colour range.

Additionally the two tools offer completely different ways of editing colour.

David

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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2015, 04:37:06 am »

@David.

Thanks for quick, clever and pragmatic answer;-)
But Your answer is not an answer of my question.
I think we are agree.

Hi Jochen,

If you are unhappy about the Basic Color Editor I would simply use the Advanced tab where you can specify more accurately the colour range.

Additionally the two tools offer completely different ways of editing colour.

David



I don't use C1 every day
I know the advanced tab and use it sometimes.
When the Basic Color Editor is bad and horrible PO should delete this or optimize this.
I'm regular participant of Your good videos and You should say this.

Hope You understand me.

Regards

Jochen

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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 10:27:41 am »

Umm no I don't agree at all!

The Basic Color editor is just that - allows basic control.  Also the size of each color zone can be adjusted.  It is not set!

Capture One Express (for Sony) only contains the Basic tab. 

Capture One Pro contains Basic, Advanced and Skin.  If you have Pro, then simply bypass the Basic tab.

David

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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2015, 11:44:34 am »

Umm no I don't agree at all!

The Basic Color editor is just that - allows basic control.  Also the size of each color zone can be adjusted.  It is not set!

Capture One Express (for Sony) only contains the Basic tab. 

Capture One Pro contains Basic, Advanced and Skin.  If you have Pro, then simply bypass the Basic tab.

I agree with David, and I'm a bit puzzled by Jochen's statement about "very bad colors". I'm not sure what he is referring to. Given his annotated tool crops, the Basic color editor has not just 3 equal sized portions of the Hue scale, but a bit more refinement where specific colors can make a difference. And, as David said, the sectors are not fixed, they are user resizable. But basic is pretty, well, basic.

The Advanced Color editor allows to additionally confine the adjustments to certain saturation ranges, which allow to make some very targeted color adjustments that should blend in naturally with other Hues.

The Skin Color editor concentrates its efforts on skin tone colors, a subset of all colors. It's intended for yet another type of color adjustments.

Then, besides the targeted color adjustments editor, there is another tool, a completely different tool. The ColorBalance tool basically adjusts the Whitepoint HSB values, if wanted  it can do that separately for shadows, mid-tones, and highlights.

Different tools for different types of adjustments, targeted versus generic color changes.

These tools do not produce bad colors, it's up to the user to adjust colors or not.

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Bart
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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2015, 12:59:21 pm »

@David, @Bart.

Thanks for feedback and help. Maybe a misunderstanding?
Please have a look on my attachment.
A earlier version of C1 don't show color balance with three circles.
Only color editor base with 6 pieces of cakes.
I thought this 6 pieces should show Red, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue, Magenta or a soft mixing of this colors.
Hope You understand me.

Im wondering about "not good color" this cake.
I see the same tool in WIN with better colors.
I ask in a forum and the people say it is problem of Mac OS X.
I have accept this yet.

Now I have C1V8.3.2 with color balance.
I see very good color in the circles.
In my attachment I write Rot=Red, GrĂ¼n=Green, Blau=Blue
But I don't see this good color in the cake.
So I think this cannot be a problem of Mac OS X.
The circles in color balance show the colors and I think the same quality should be in the cake.

I have attached a color circle and mean the same quality should be in C1.
You can draw lines in this circle to separate 6 pieces.

Hope you understand my English. I'm not native.

Jochen






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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2015, 03:58:53 pm »

... And, as David said, the sectors are not fixed, they are user resizable. But basic is pretty, well, basic.

@Bart You my hero.
Hi, today I see that I can change the sectors.
Not clear for me for long time.
I ask this in other forum but nobody give the right help.
And Dave write this too ;-)

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

Jochen
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Re: C1-V8-3-2 Color Balance Color Editor
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2015, 06:19:42 pm »

The "three circles" are for adjusting the overall color balance for the shadows, midtones, and highlights independently. It is very different from either the basic or advanced color editor, and is a new and very useful feature.

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