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AreBee

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2015, 10:59:32 am »

Bernard,

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28 is pretty boring...

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Agreed. I'll probably skip it if it not at least 25mm.

Is 30mm boring?
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Rob C

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2015, 03:05:57 pm »

28 is pretty boring, but that goes to show just how difficult it is to design a true wide angle that is edge to edge sharp, wide open and does not look and cost like the Large Hadron Collider.


That'll come as a shock to William Klein!

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2015, 06:20:24 pm »

Bernard,

Is 30mm boring?

I don't see any focal length as boring, but I don't find 28mm wide enough for the applications where I would benefit most from an excellent wide, which is typically landscape.

28, 30, 32, 35 are all interesting street focal length, but corner perfection is not that important. Look is important (bokeh,...), but the wide Nikons will remain hard to beat on that front because it is one of their top design priorities.

In other words, the Nikkor 28mm f1.8 at one fifth the price is likely to be a better street option thanks to AF and look, regardless of the price.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #43 on: October 03, 2015, 08:30:18 pm »

Well, there are a few very good 35mm wides, but none are excellent.

http://www.lenscore.org

If you think that some wides are excellent, it means that either you have never had the chance to use an excellent prime or at least never on a body revealing their quality.

Cheers,
Bernard

LOL!  I don't consider 35mm wide, and there are plenty of prime WAs and UWAs that are excellent and have been around forever.

What are you talking about?
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #44 on: October 03, 2015, 09:49:35 pm »

There are good wides, even zooms, like the Nikon 14-24, but none of them are as sharp at f/1.4 as other lenses are at 5.6, with insane corner to corner sharpness, and no CA or fringing.  That's what a wide Otus should be, and hopefully will be.  Otherwise, there's no point in releasing a wide Otus.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #45 on: October 04, 2015, 01:37:37 pm »

LOL!  I don't consider 35mm wide, and there are plenty of prime WAs and UWAs that are excellent and have been around forever.

35mm was meant here as FF (24x36).

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2015, 02:44:14 pm »

Bernard,

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...I don't find 28mm wide enough for the applications where I would benefit most from an excellent wide, which is typically landscape.

Stitched landscape?

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28, 30, 32, 35 are all interesting street focal length...

Are they interesting focal lengths for landscape?
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #47 on: October 04, 2015, 05:37:29 pm »

35mm was meant here as FF (24x36).

Cheers,
Bernard

Yes, I know.  I don't consider those wide, FF or otherwise.

18mm? Sure?

35mm?  Not even remotely.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #48 on: October 04, 2015, 06:50:35 pm »

According to one of the rumour sites the new Otus is a 28. 1.4
thenewcamera.com - Otus 28

Can't wait to see how it compares to the Nikon.

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #49 on: October 04, 2015, 11:31:20 pm »

Yes, I know.  I don't consider those wide, FF or otherwise.

18mm? Sure?

35mm?  Not even remotely.

You are not trying to understand me, are you?

I didn't use "35mm" to designate the focal length of a lens, I used "35mm" to designate the format also knows as 24x36 or FF, or FX. I am fully aware that a 35mm on a 35mm camera isn't very wide, only a total idiot wouldn't.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2015, 11:33:55 pm »

Stitched landscape?

Are they interesting focal lengths for landscape?

Nope, I find 28mm too wide as a stitching lens, I hardly ever use wide than 50mm.

As answered already, I personally don't find the 28-40mm range of focal lengths to be a good match for my landscape style. I believe that I am far from being alone in this.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #51 on: October 05, 2015, 01:58:00 am »

A 28 mm could respect the ontological hierarchy of the mountain landscapes better than a wider lens.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #52 on: October 05, 2015, 03:14:19 am »

You are not trying to understand me, are you?

I didn't use "35mm" to designate the focal length of a lens, I used "35mm" to designate the format also knows as 24x36 or FF, or FX. I am fully aware that a 35mm on a 35mm camera isn't very wide, only a total idiot wouldn't.

Cheers,
Bernard

How about using 135 as a name for 35mm cine film still miniature cameras and digital cameras with the same size sensor?
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #53 on: October 05, 2015, 05:07:47 am »

Wide angles for landscape look amazing on 8x10 film, but in 24x36,  I prefer normal to telephoto landscapes, and slightly wide angle for certain portraits.  The 35mm focal length is a nice perspective.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #54 on: October 05, 2015, 05:20:19 am »

by "Boring", I mean that it is the same FoV as the typical APSC kit lens on its wide end. Been there, done that, got the T shirt.

24mm to me is a true wide, without being outrageously wide as ultrawides (Which I have started to despise, lately). a longer focal length like 50 or longer gives a more pleasing perspective, for single shot and stitching. 28 to me is neither here, nor there.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #55 on: October 05, 2015, 08:29:06 am »

Bernard,

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As answered already, I personally don't find the 28-40mm range of focal lengths to be a good match for my landscape style.

Not answered already:

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...28, 30, 32, 35 are all interesting street focal length, but corner perfection is not that important. Look is important (bokeh,...)...

You referred specifically to Street photography.


synn,

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24mm to me is a true wide, without being outrageously wide as ultrawides (Which I have started to despise, lately)...

Why have you started to despise ultrawides?
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2015, 08:45:40 am »

Used to be a fan of the stretchy widey look, but now I find it to be aesthetically unpleasant.
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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2015, 11:04:04 am »

Used to be a fan of the stretchy widey look, but now I find it to be aesthetically unpleasant.

I agree... i also dont like the stretched ultrawide look any more; but i have just made one 360 x100 that looks great

and to go back on topic:  i think you need to stitch to get a solid looking wide angle lens...

see   http://www.beeld.nu/#/1/1

and on the ptgui - site a zoomable version:  http://www.ptgui.com/gallery





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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2015, 11:23:37 am »

Not answered already:

You referred specifically to Street photography.

What did I write in the line above those you quoted?

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: Finally an excellent wide angle lens?
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2015, 01:27:38 pm »

Bernard,

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What did I write in the line above those you quoted?

You wrote:

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I don't see any focal length as boring, but I don't find 28mm wide enough for the applications where I would benefit most from an excellent wide, which is typically landscape.

You also wrote on an earlier occasion:

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Agreed.

In response to the following comment by synn:

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28 is pretty boring...

Over approximately a five day time period, what caused your opinion of a 28mm focal length to change from boring to not boring?
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