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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2015, 07:58:32 pm »

Just a heads up to everyone following this thread that I am in Portland OR at the moment at a Sony media event for the A7RII. I will be shooting with it here for the next couple of days and then will be joined by Kevin and Chris and will be doing a shoot in Palouse with the RII.

I won't be doing a diary or blog, but will have a full review within a couple of weeks.

Apparently the official ship date for the RII is this Wednesday, Aug 5. The fact that some camera shipped last week in Europe was a slip-up. Release was supposed to be simultaneous worldwide.

But, good luck getting one if you don't already have an order in with a dealer. These are likely to be back-ordered for some time.

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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2015, 08:04:02 pm »

Just a heads up to everyone following this thread that I am in Portland OR at the moment at a Sony media event for the A7RII. I will be shooting with it here for the next couple of days and then will be joined by Kevin and Chris and will be doing a shoot in Palouse with the RII.

I won't be doing a diary or blog, but will have a full review within a couple of weeks.

Apparently the official ship date for the RII is this Wednesday, Aug 5. The fact that some camera shipped last week in Europe was a slip-up. Release was supposed to be simultaneous worldwide.

But, good luck getting one if you don't already have an order in with a dealer. These are likely to be back-ordered for some time.

Michael

Michael,

 We look forward to your respected words :)
 Unfortunately my impression is that the economy in France is rotten, and camera sales are falling so quickly over here that back ordering is not any more much of an issue.

Edmund
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2015, 08:04:50 pm »

Thanks, Michael. Thanks, other imagers.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2015, 08:09:54 pm »

works great in the worst possible contrast situation:
(sony 55mm, processed acr: shadow & highlight recupereation, no sharpening)

Is the second image a 100% crop?

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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2015, 01:49:32 am »

Is the second image a 100% crop?

Cheers,
Bernard


yes

here is the dng:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/u1w0ay1xwbhnybt/DSC00124.dng

and a couple more:
(asa 6400)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/7h27o616pj7wkxj/DSC00045.dng

(open landscape, infinity)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4wffd61uh8k66gl/DSC00078.dng

edmund, i'll post a flat-on wall shot with the tse 17mm a bit later
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2015, 02:37:32 am »

here, for what it's worth is the famous flat wall shot
(17mm tse, f8)

and the dng:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4sjs6ge2o3c44go/_DSC0152.dng
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2015, 03:49:28 am »

Michael,

 We look forward to your respected words :)
 Unfortunately my impression is that the economy in France is rotten, and camera sales are falling so quickly over here that back ordering is not any more much of an issue.

Edmund

Same here in Portugal. Launch price is EUR 3600, so not many will sell initially. For that price, one can get a Canon 5DIII plus 24-70 f4 IS kit... just saying...

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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2015, 04:13:32 am »

Same here in Portugal. Launch price is EUR 3600, so not many will sell initially. For that price, one can get a Canon 5DIII plus 24-70 f4 IS kit... just saying...

i hope you are not right about that price, BH have them at 3200 USD, 3600 euros bears no relation to that.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2015, 04:55:22 am »

Paulo must be right, in Switzerland the current price is around CHF 3700 ($3820 or €3490)…
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2015, 05:10:29 am »

yes, it's around 2600 GBP in the UK, which works out about 3500 euros...
that's a pretty disproportionate price compared to what it costs in the US
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2015, 05:17:08 am »

When you compare prices between US and Europe don't forget that in Europe prices are including VAT (usually a bit above 20%) while in the US it's without sales tax (usually around 8%)

That still makes the US cheaper, but the main difference is the government bite and not a huge difference in Sony's or the retailer's margin.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2015, 05:17:49 am »

Don't forget the US prices are usually exclusive of tax which is added at checkout.
Plus if history is anything to go by, the launch price often falls a chunk within 3 months. One of the few exceptions was the E-M5 and that was because of its near-cult status creating a back-order, though it seems as though the A7RII is heading the same way from all the chatter and hype at the moment.

For reference, the 5DIII is £2,300. In US the prices are 2,600 (5D3) and 3,200 (A7RII) so the differential is less (BH prices) in UK than US which is interesting.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2015, 08:55:36 am »

yes

here is the dng:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/u1w0ay1xwbhnybt/DSC00124.dng

and a couple more:
(asa 6400)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/7h27o616pj7wkxj/DSC00045.dng

(open landscape, infinity)
http://www.mediafire.com/view/4wffd61uh8k66gl/DSC00078.dng

edmund, i'll post a flat-on wall shot with the tse 17mm a bit later

Adrian,

 My feeling is that the woods shot shows the A7IIR to be a really exceptional combination with that lens. I'm talking of overall results. Congrats on your new acquisition! I hope you will make lots of nice pictures with it - I am keeping that one as a screensaver :)

 It is possible that one of the old CCD sensor cameras has better color discrimination in the greens.

 As far as the 17mm images goes, I guess one needs to focus with liveview, and the sensor probably ouresolves the lens. The Sony lens may have been designed for this sensor, they look matched somehow.

Edmund
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2015, 09:26:39 am »

Adrian,

 My feeling is that the woods shot shows the A7IIR to be a really exceptional combination with that lens. I'm talking of overall results. Congrats on your new acquisition! I hope you will make lots of nice pictures with it - I am keeping that one as a screensaver :)

 It is possible that one of the old CCD sensor cameras has better color discrimination in the greens.

 As far as the 17mm images goes, I guess one needs to focus with liveview, and the sensor probably ouresolves the lens. The Sony lens may have been designed for this sensor, they look matched somehow.

Edmund

thanks edmund
i would have liked to have had this camera a few year back to work on this project which took kilos of cameras & lenses & tripods!:
http://adriantyler.net/formandfiction.html
the a7 is replacing my nikon system with the 24, 45 & 85 PCE which i've been using since they came out.
i'm really simplifying things and it feels liberating... a light 2 body system: the 17mm in crop sensor mode and work out at 29mm so that and a backup body (a7II) with the 55 will make a really light and versatile system to work on an architecture project that i have going on.
i'm not sure i'll be able to leave the tripod at home, but my tests are telling me that i may be able to leave it in the car! now that will be freedom! anyway we'll leave it to the experts to do the "real" testing, for my needs it will be fine (hopefully) for the next few years...
adrian
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2015, 10:02:55 am »

The A7r2 only has marginal better resolution than A7r1. I never felt that the canon Tse 17&24 lenses have been outresolved by the sony.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2015, 10:10:01 am »

thanks edmund
i would have liked to have had this camera a few year back to work on this project which took kilos of cameras & lenses & tripods!:
http://adriantyler.net/formandfiction.html
the a7 is replacing my nikon system with the 24, 45 & 85 PCE which i've been using since they came out.
i'm really simplifying things and it feels liberating... a light 2 body system: the 17mm in crop sensor mode and work out at 29mm so that and a backup body (a7II) with the 55 will make a really light and versatile system to work on an architecture project that i have going on.
i'm not sure i'll be able to leave the tripod at home, but my tests are telling me that i may be able to leave it in the car! now that will be freedom! anyway we'll leave it to the experts to do the "real" testing, for my needs it will be fine (hopefully) for the next few years...
Adrian

I just looked at your web site. I was thinking, looking at that woods image that it is in some ways the exact opposite of Bill Atkinson's clean and detached spacious views, and that it was astonishing to see such an exceptional test shot. Now I understand.

If I were you I would do some serious testing of the color discrimination in the greens; you might find it useful to use a red or yellow filter and rebalance the channels. Also, I'd hang on to that 50, it is remarkable, and my feeling is it was designed with *precisely* this sensor in mind. The A7IIR images can be enlarged over pixel size when that lens is used. Sony/Zeiss might have some other lenses with the same properties.

BTW, as you certainly did some testing, what is your feeling regarding the H4D40 and 60?
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2015, 10:13:18 am »

I'm very interested on thethering reliability and eye AF tracking... for us that shoot people would be nice to forget about focus-recompose.
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2015, 10:20:13 am »

The A7r2 only has marginal better resolution than A7r1. I never felt that the canon Tse 17&24 lenses have been outresolved by the sony.

You're the working expert. Look at Adrian's building image and tell us what you think.

On the other hand, why should it matter if a high resolution sensor outresolves a good lens? In every boxing match there needs to be a winner, the main thing is that there should be a fight :)

Edmund
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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2015, 10:56:10 am »

This thread is taking on worrying similarities to a DPreview thread.  

There is nothing useful to be gained from photographing walls, unless of course you are a wall photography specialist (in which case, I feel your pain!)

Some real world shots - the stuff I assume we are here to discuss - now that's more useful and productive.

I do hope that Michael refrains from shooting any walls...  ;)

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Re: A7RII initial thoughts and images
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2015, 11:00:34 am »

This thread is taking on worrying similarities to a DPreview thread.  

Nownow, we have better taste in walls over here.
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