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gold fibre gloss
« on: July 07, 2015, 09:36:09 pm »

anyone have experience with ilford's gold fibre gloss?  i've emailed to find out if it's available yet.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2015, 10:34:50 pm »

Personally I Have not seen this from Ilford.. But as Ernst has Noted in the past We all actually Have seen This before..

when I Do Ill Report :)

The New Hahnemuhle Fine art Baryta Satin Is a Nice Sheet I actually Like It for an Alpha Cell Sheet..
So If Anybody Wants to try it Mention Lu Lu and Ill Take 10% Off..


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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 05:05:39 am »

Personally I Have not seen this from Ilford.. But as Ernst has Noted in the past We all actually Have seen This before..

Jim,

Not noticed yet. A companion to IGPGFS (but cotton based), the ad says. If it is truly gloss, OBA free, 100% cotton, as specified in the documents, then there are very few candidates it could be a clone of. A gloss finished version of a cotton satin type is possible of course, way more available to build on. The quoted Lab number gives me a hint but I rather make the spectral plot first to be safe than speculate now.

Nice at least to see it described as having a Baryta-like surface, in that case there is no need for the 1% BaSO4 content excuse we see added to some papers.

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 07:48:27 am »

Ernst - I'd be interested to know what "Baryta-like" means. Either it is or it isn't, so I take it from this description of theirs it isn't, which begs the question of what it is, how it behaves, longevity etc. As for the rag aspect, that pretty well rules it out for printers that are particularly sensitive to particulates, unless Ilford can provide assurances in this regard. My experience with Canson Platine is not to be repeated regardless of how good the paper is.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 08:40:49 am »

Mark,

The infamous Hahnemühle Baryta FB 350 is one example of nihil BaSO4 content, it is plain to see in the spectral plot where there is low light reflection in the 550-600 NM range equal to a bare pure cotton base, something impossible with substantial BaSO4 content. It does not have TiO2 either based on the same observation. As I understand it now there are more where the whiteness is not based on BaSO4 despite their labels, other whitening agents used though.

TiO2 is in itself a good whitening agent and there are more types including blends of more whitening agents. Where it goes wrong according Mark McCormick is in the combination of OBAs and TiO2, even more in the PE layers of RC papers. I have no reason yet to judge TiO2 as inferior when there is no OBA used in the paper coating. Baryta-like is still possible with TiO2 used if it describes the visual appearance of the surface and not the coating content. Better instruments than I have are needed to reveal what the content of paper coatings exactly is. I can only find the more obvious components.

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 08:51:59 am »

That's helpful Ernst, and limitations on the analytics understood. I suppose we'll know best how these papers perform in terms of longevity once they are comprehensively tested.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2015, 11:12:32 am »

Personally I Have not seen this from Ilford.. But as Ernst has Noted in the past We all actually Have seen This before..

when I Do Ill Report :)

The New Hahnemuhle Fine art Baryta Satin Is a Nice Sheet I actually Like It for an Alpha Cell Sheet..
So If Anybody Wants to try it Mention Lu Lu and Ill Take 10% Off..


Cheers
Jim

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Hi Jim, I can find HN FineArt Baryta but not FineArtBaryta Satin on the Shades of paper website. And I don't see it listed yet at any other U.S. dealers, either.  You are talking about the new FineArt Baryta Satin version, right?

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2015, 03:51:04 pm »

Correct Mark.. we are a bit slow on listing on the website.. I Have it in stock..I ran out of a few sizes.. 11x17 and 17x22 already But More will be here fast!

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2015, 04:22:35 pm »

Correct Mark.. we are a bit slow on listing on the website.. I Have it in stock..I ran out of a few sizes.. 11x17 and 17x22 already But More will be here fast!

Feel Free to Call Our Office!

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Thanks.. I just ordered a box of 25 sheets, letter-size. I want to compare it to HN Photo Rag Pearl (one of my favorite papers) before committing to bigger sheet sizes and rolls. I only need to see a single sheet to check out surface texture and physical properties, but the rest won't go to waste.... some light fastness testing with my Canon and Epson printers will help me use up the box  ;D

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2015, 09:06:04 pm »

mark, so alpha cellulose (which is GFS) is less or not prone to particulate dusting like a "rag" paper (what's a better term?).

i've been studying different sample packs of paper - one more to come this week.  my GFS prints though very very nice have some color gradient problems with test prints of rainbow gradients and such. but that might be solved by a custom profile rather than the downloaded one from their website (i've got a 3380 with vivid magenta).

i still very much like museo silver rag for some prints but do like GFS and platine (the latter being more white to my eyes) for other types of prints.

haha and as an aside, darn it, i've caught myself "feeling" the papers.  drat.  now i'm as crazy as everyone else!
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2015, 09:11:52 pm »

mark, so alpha cellulose (which is GFS) is less or not prone to particulate dusting like a "rag" paper (what's a better term?).


From my limited experience with "rag" paper, seems so - now recall I'm using a 4900, so those with 3880s may have different experience, but right after running a few 13*19 sheets of Platine through the printer, the routines to get all the nozzles checking clean took over 45 minutes - it was really quite nasty. The alpha-cellulose backing of GFS does not shed.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2015, 09:39:55 pm »

that's right - the 4900 has smaller nozzle size.  thanks.

not to be completely off topic, but you guys would know judging from all the testing(!) but with regard to glossy papers (pictorico, epson premium glossy photo) they all have OBAs right? you know that almost mirror like reflectivity.

i'm waiting for a harman by hahnenmuhle test pack (gloss barya and warmtone) to see if they are way more glossy than the hahn' baryta's and pearls, GFS and Silver Rag.  the problem is, i suppose if you get really glossy, the texture of the paper is really noticeable. i guess that's why i posted this thread about that seemingly new gold fibre gloss to see what that's like.

i'm looking for a go-to glossy paper that isn't artificially bright and has gobs of detail.  GFS and platine really come close but they aren't sexy enough due to their more "luster" feel.  i'd like EPGPP or pictorico type, but don't want them to fade to yellow and they look a little cool to begin with.

on another side note, i was pleased to find out that hahn' photo rag pearl (for use with their leather photo album) is OBA free.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2015, 10:09:47 pm »

OBAs are whiteners, not providers of gloss. Enhanced matte is full of OBA but not glossy.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2015, 10:26:36 pm »

yeah i know. just seems like OBAs are always in glossy papers that are resin coated and/or really glossy like sharp reflections of the environment.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 02:23:12 am »

Harman Gloss Baryta (distributed by Hahnemühle) comes in a 'warmtone', but still appears to have some OBA content. It is a full, but soft gloss.

There is also Harman Gloss Art Fibre, which looks OBA free, but slightly more texture than the Gloss Baryta.

I think Epson White Semimatte Proofing paper is the nearest thing I have come across to a less white RC paper, but while it has a finer texture than a lustre, it definitely isn't a gloss.

In cotton based papers, both Innova and Permajet have gloss papers available.

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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2015, 01:15:03 pm »

Just ordered a roll of Innova Fibaprint Warm Cotton Gloss, anybody tried that (especially on a z3200)? Is the gfg anything like that?

William.
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Re: gold fibre gloss
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2015, 08:24:30 pm »

i just got my samples of harman by hahnemuhle gloss baryta and the warmtone version of it. fantastic, exactly what i was looking for.  yes, i did read somewhere that the warmtone had some OBA in it, have not read definitively that the white version does too but i'll assume it does for now.  i'll have to think long and hard about using it despite the OBA.  i shouldn't really make _that big_ of a deal about it, but prefer not to use OBA.

actually brings up another question - i thought the point of barium sulfate was to be white. so other than the obvious, why would one need to add OBA to it?
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