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Orton & Cloud Dodging
« on: June 30, 2015, 05:02:32 pm »

I've been experimenting with blending multiple exposures of the same shot, Orton effect, detail enhancement, & Dodge/Burn layers (among other things) in my processing.  I have two current gripes... one is the halo effect that I sometimes get when blending.  I'm thinking luminosity masks are the solution, but I don't quite have the mastery of knowing how to select a single object using luminosity masks.  And the second gripe is that things are moving just a touch past natural looking, and into the realm of HDR or digital manipulation.  I'm not opposed to this but my goal is to make the image look natural but have an enhanced feel at the same time.  I've seen this accomplished, are there any guides or tutorials online that you're using to accomplish this with your processing workflow?  Critique is welcome.  Also to be noted part of the halo effect in these pictures is from steam/mist of the time lapse...

Moonlight Mist by Maddog Murph, on Flickr
Mini Volcano by Maddog Murph, on Flickr
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2015, 08:21:54 pm »

I'd try going easy on the opacity settings when blending layers. It looks like you are dialing up "clarity" or using a sharpening technique that gives the edges a halo effect. If you want to burn or dodge, try doing it with adjustment layers and masking instead. The burn and dodge tools are good for minor tweaks, as both are destructive. I think toning down saturation levels will help too. Mostly, I think you'll have to play around with all parameters before you'll find the recipe.
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2015, 07:54:21 am »

just a touch past natural looking
are you really serious about "a touch past natural"  :o ? acid colors
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2015, 08:35:34 am »

are you really serious about "a touch past natural"  :o ? acid colors

The guy asked for advice, not sarcasm.
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2015, 09:27:39 am »

The guy asked for advice, not sarcasm.
the advice is to get real.

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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2015, 09:45:34 am »

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my goal is to make the image look natural but have an enhanced feel at the same time
I think your are very close and I think there are all really interesting to look at...powerful chromatically...on the edge "HDR" wise...in some right on the edge of "too false". I think you should keep working this...and you will master it...and it will be totally worthwhile. Halo removal can be accomplished in many different ways with many diff. tools in PS e.g...sometimes depending on the image... I'll get a pair of identical flat layers, and use background eraser (using Wacom pen...constantly adj. feathering %) get a clean transparent area around edge on upper layer - then clone stamp in/CA fill e.g. on layer below so it fills out the transparent area above. Sometimes color-replacement brush can be used... again depending on image. There are other strategies as well which will easily solve this /B
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2015, 09:52:50 am »

the advice is to get real.
How about some other advice - don't be unpleasant.
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2015, 10:32:28 am »

The guy asked for advice...

The guy clearly asked for critique:

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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2015, 10:35:06 am »

Some people need a permit when using a lethal weapon like Photoshop ;)

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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2015, 10:55:26 am »

How about some other advice - don't be unpleasant.
I am sorry, I read Dale only 20 years ago and it was too late by that time...
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2015, 12:42:33 pm »

Some people need a permit when using a lethal weapon like Photoshop ;)

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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2015, 01:15:05 pm »

I am sorry, I read Dale only 20 years ago and it was too late by that time...


I don't really speak troll. 

Are any of you aware of any luminosity mask tutorials or workflows that you'd recommend?
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2015, 01:50:23 pm »

I don't really speak troll...

FYI, "Dale' most likely refers to Dale Carnegie and his book "How to win Friends and Influence People."



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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2015, 01:52:47 pm »

...Are any of you aware of any luminosity mask tutorials or workflows that you'd recommend?

If you intend to use it as demonstrated in the OP examples, I would suggest a restraining order (from using Photoshop) would be a much better workflow ;)

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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2015, 02:29:46 pm »

I'd agree, Slobodan, but you gotta understand that this kind of stuff sells like hotcakes at "art fairs."
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2015, 02:43:26 pm »

I'd agree, Slobodan, but you gotta understand that this kind of stuff sells like hotcakes at "art fairs."

I do not know, Russ, I do not see stuff like that at art fairs I participate or visit.

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2015, 02:53:38 pm »

FYI, "Dale' most likely refers to Dale Carnegie and his book "How to win Friends and Influence People."

indeed.
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2015, 03:25:58 pm »

Bright stuff...WOW!
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Re: Orton & Cloud Dodging
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2015, 03:35:05 pm »

There is a lot more sneering going from the usual negative ninnies, that actual reading of the OP.
Murph asked how to make the shots more natural looking, so why not cut the snark and be helpful instead of immature dicks.

I'd suggest explaining what your current workflow is Murph in to give people an idea of what you are doing to your shots. There are lots of ways to get to your end point, overuse of unsharp mask is one way to get halos for example.

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2015, 03:47:50 pm »

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I'd suggest explaining what your current workflow is Murph
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