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The Art of Photography => The Coffee Corner => Topic started by: Schewe on October 05, 2017, 08:03:35 pm
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So, without much further ado I bring you Trump IV...
Trump III (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=120890.0) barely lasted 8 hrs. Which was even shorter than the Trump (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=116244.0) thread that lasted about 2 days. The Trump II (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=116264.0) thread however lasted from Feb 5th, 2017 until Oct 4th when Chris had enough and locked it.
So, we all know the ground rules right? In Trump II we survived 242 days (cool number, it's a palindrome) without egregiously violating the rules...maybe we can have Trump IV last longer than less than 1/2 a day?
So, on to the obligatory Trump content...
Some of you may wonder how long I spend each day finding all these stories about Trump. Not long...maybe 1/2 hr a day...sometimes more when Trump has been particularly naughty. But it's really not too hard to find this stuff.
For example, Bloomberg Politics has a great resource called Tracking Trump (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/trump-daily/#!) which has a daily list of Bloomberg Politics stories laid out.
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You can search by topic or just look at a list of daily stories going back to the first date Here’s what happened on...THURSDAY, JANUARY 26, 2017 (https://www.bloomberg.com/features/trump-daily/#!/date/01-26-2017)
So, today for example is a story about Ivanka...
Ivanka Trump Is Selling More Books, But Still Fewer Than Clinton (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-05/ivanka-trump-is-selling-more-books-but-still-fewer-than-clinton)
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Ivanka Trump’s latest book, ‘Women Who Work: Rewriting the Rules for Success’
The book has sold 31,000 copies as of Oct. 1, five months after it came out, according to NPD Bookscan. That compares with 26,000 copies in all for her first book, “The Trump Card,” which was published eight years ago.
Still, “Women Who Work” pales compared with Clinton’s “What Happened,” which sold 312,000 copies in its first month alone. President Donald Trump’s latest book, “Great Again: How to Fix Our Crippled America,” has sold 311,000 copies since it was released November 2015.
In “Women Who Work,” published by Penguin Random House, the first daughter offered advice to career-minded female readers -- including tips on becoming “the best version of yourself.”
Well, DOOOOH, I would love to learn how to be a better version of me!
Another resource I use is of course, Google with a topic search of Donald Trump (https://news.google.com/news/headlines/section/q/Donald%20Trump/Donald%20Trump?ned=us&hl=en) which gives me a handy list of stories to browse. Sometimes there's an arrow you can click to get expanded coverage as shown below:
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When you click that you get additional articles that looks like this:
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If you then click on the View full coverage arrow, you get everything Google can find on the subject...that's pretty comprehensive! You might get overloaded...
BTW, in case you were wondering, the story I expanded was Donald Trump’s Foreign Policy Circus (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/editorials/tillerson-trump-moron.html)
By THE EDITORIAL BOARDOCT. 5, 2017
Another day, another embarrassing foreign policy circus in the nation’s capital that can only further erode trust in American leadership at home and abroad. At its center is Rex Tillerson, who traded his job as top dog at the oil giant ExxonMobil to become secretary of state, only to find himself substantively and personally undercut by President Trump as recently as Sunday on the issue of Korea, where Mr. Tillerson wanted negotiations as Mr. Trump threatened war.
Ya see? Each and every day brings new stories of wonder and disgust regarding President Donald J Trump's production of The White House Reality Show™
There are other tricks to more efficiently find really bad or good (depending on your point of view) stories about Trump...it's not hard, Trump keeps behaving like the proverbial bull in a china shoppe. But I'm not gonna stop till he does...(hopefully that won't be too much longer ;~)
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So, without much further ado I bring you Trump IV...
What a relief! I was beginning to suffer withdrawal symptoms.
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What a relief! I was beginning to suffer withdrawal symptoms.
That's why Schewe is offering it this time via IV...
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Sorry, I can't bite on Trump IV. I need to get on with my life. Now where did I put that camera?
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Jeff, isn't it about time you accepted the results of the election and get back to whatever it is you do? All this cutting, pasting, ranting, etc. so reminds me of a spoiled child the first time he/she doesn't get it's way. Ki used to think of you as a technical guru but now..
Kevin in CT
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Jeff, isn't it about time you accepted the results of the election and get back to whatever it is you do?
Nope...I will not accept this new perverted normal as my new normal, sorry if that offends you (well, not really).
To simply "accept" the words and behavior of this malignant narcissist because, in a fluke, he was elected (by a mere 27% of eligible voters BTW) would be to give this man an acceptance he doesn't deserve and certainly hasn't earned.
Unlike other presidents, Trump has done less than zero to enlarge the tent and expand beyond his rabid base of support. Oh, he reached out to dems for the express purpose of pissing off the GOP and retribution for the Senate's failure to repeal let alone the Affordable Care Act.
Also, you are only seeing what I post here–arguably the worst of TrumpLand–but I'm socially active locally and regionally. Illinois has a terrible Governor, Bruce Rauner. And while the city of Chicago is hugely democratic and we have two very democratic Senators; Dick Durbin and Tammy Duckworth Illinois has had a history of really rancid and corrupt governors, Rauner is just hugely ineffective...so I plan to work on behalf of the democratic nominee (almost regardless of whom it may be).
I'm also actively supporting good journalism by actually subscribing to a variety of newspapers and magazines (like NYT, WaPo, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, The Economist, Chicago and LA Tribunes) and other groups such as the ACLU, Sierra Club (Chicago). My wife, as a result of Trump's anti-women misogyny has also been compelled to become active. Heck, I even marched in the Science March on Earth Day last April...The March for Science 4/22/17 in Chicago (image heavy) (http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=117637.0) and if you want to see more here's my web gallery: The Geek March 4-22-17 (http://schewephoto.com/GeekMarch/index.html).
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So, while I really appreciate your concern for my well being (and mental health), I find selecting particularly egregious words and behaviors and posting them here to be therapeutic and a substantial catharsis...plus, it's fun to make fun of the Big Orange Dummy™.
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Just remember who we're talking about...he's a billionaire who wants to be treated as a royal while behaving like an ass (did he really think throwing paper towels at hurricane survivors would be a good photo op?).
But let's put this into perspective....
TRUMP'S EXORBITANT TRAVEL COSTS COULD PAY TO SEND PUERTO RICO 128 CARGO SHIPS WITH AID (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-aid-how-help-678238)
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Donald Trump complained (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-puerto-rico-debt-proud-676865) to Puerto Rican hurricane victims this week that their suffering is throwing his budget "out of whack," but for the same cost as the first family's exorbitant travel, the government could have sent nearly 130 cargo ships to the island, a new analysis shows.
The president and first family have reportedly spent an unprecedented $32 million (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-trump-costs-20170508-story.html) on trips to Mar-a-Lago and other exclusive Trump properties across the country — so much, in fact, that the online document company FormSwift (https://formswift.com/)decided to convert the extravagent budget into its equivalent in humanitarian aide.
Estimating the cost of fuel and the length of the trip, the numbers-crunchers discovered that the president's estimated travel bills would equal 128 cargo ship trips from Florida to Puerto Rico. When FormSwift included the entire first family's travels, the amount of aid ships increased to 130.
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That "Dodgy Dossier" may indeed be a bit less dodgy than Trump would like to admit...
Exclusive: Mueller's team met with Russia dossier author (http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/special-counsel-russia-dossier-christopher-steele/index.html)
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Christopher Steele
Washington (CNN)Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigators met this past summer with the former British spy whose dossier on alleged Russian efforts to aid the Trump campaign spawned months of investigations that have hobbled the Trump administration, according to two people familiar with the matter.
Information from Christopher Steele, a former MI-6 officer, could help investigators determine whether contacts between people associated with the Trump campaign and suspected Russian operatives broke any laws.
CNN has learned that the FBI and the US intelligence community last year took the Steele dossier more seriously than the agencies have publicly acknowledged. James Clapper, then the director of national intelligence, said in a January 2017 statement that the intelligence community had "not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable."
The intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, and the FBI took Steele's research seriously enough that they kept it out of a publicly-released January report on Russian meddling in the election in order to not divulge which parts of the dossier they had corroborated and how.
This contrasts with attempts by President Donald Trump and some lawmakers to discredit Steele and the memos he produced.
Ever since the dossier came to light in January, Trump and his allies have repeatedly insisted that it is a complete work of fiction. He told The New York Times this summer that the dossier "was totally made-up stuff." In a series of tweets earlier this year, Trump said the memos were written by a "failed spy" who had relied on "totally made-up facts by sleazebag political operatives."
While the most salacious allegations in the dossier haven't been verified, its broad assertion that Russia waged a campaign to interfere in the election is now accepted as fact by the US intelligence community. CNN also reported earlier this year that US investigators have corroborated some aspects of the dossier, specifically that some of the communications among foreign nationals mentioned in the memos did actually take place.
In case you haven't seen it, here's a link to the BuzzFeed's unsubstantiated dossier (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html)
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Wait...Trump wants Congress to investigate the US New Media? Oh, really?
Autocracy, anyone? Trump calls for Senate investigation of media outlets. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/10/05/autocracy-anyone-trump-calls-for-senate-investigation-of-media-outlets/?utm_term=.703b9694cf71)
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Donald J. Trump is frustrated. He’s the president of the United States, and yet there are limits to how he can use his power. He can’t just snap his fingers and end Obamacare; his travel ban got gummed up in litigation; he can’t flick a switch and “open up” libel laws; the regime in North Korea doesn’t appear to respect him too much.
And then there’s the issue of the Beltway media, which refuses to enable a man extraordinarily unfit for his responsibilities. NBC News, for example, reported on Wednesday that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had referred to President Trump as a “moron” after a July meeting at the Pentagon, not to mention that the top diplomat “was on the verge of resigning.” The story carried four bylines and extensive sourcing. CNN reported that Trump knew before Wednesday about the “moron” moment.
None of those considerations, of course, prevented Trump from blasting the story the way he commonly blasts negative press:
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
NBC news is #FakeNews and more dishonest than even CNN. They are a disgrace to good reporting. No wonder their news ratings are way down!
9:47 AM - Oct 4, 2017
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The @NBCNews story has just been totally refuted by Sec. Tillerson and @VP Pence. It is #FakeNews. They should issue an apology to AMERICA!
10:18 AM - Oct 4, 2017
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Rex Tillerson never threatened to resign. This is Fake News put out by @NBCNews. Low news and reporting standards. No verification from me.
6:50 AM - Oct 5, 2017
To that last attack, one Twitter user helpfully replied, “You also thought Obama wasn’t American, so you’re not exactly a great barometer of accuracy.”
Being president is a tough line of work. As the New York Times wrote in February, Trump came to the White House with a long background in manipulating, goading and feeding New York tabloids. His virtuoso work with reporters — including a stunt in which he impersonated his own PR guy — doubtless fed an expectation that perhaps he’d be able to pull the same moves in the nation’s capital.
He cannot, and so he lapses into autocratic desperation, as in this tweet from Thursday:
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!
5:59 AM - Oct 5, 2017
For context, the Senate intelligence committee has heard testimony (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/russian-active-measures-trump-propaganda-conspiracy-theories/) about the distortions and propaganda of Russian-funded outlets such as RT and Sputnik. “The rapid expansion of RT’s operations and budget and recent candid statements by RT’s leadership point to the channel’s importance to the Kremlin as a messaging tool and indicate a Kremlin-directed campaign to undermine faith in the US Government and fuel political protest,” noted a January report from the U.S. intelligence community. RT has attempted to convince its audience that the U.S. electoral system is beset with fraud. As for Sputnik, just take it from its former White House reporter (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/05/26/white-house-correspondent-bolts-sputnik-over-the-obvious/?utm_term=.c58f5c62db99): “They wanted me to be asking and writing stuff on this Seth Rich thing (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/07/seth-rich-separating-fact-and-speculation/) and I said, ‘I’m not going to do that.’”
That the president of the United States would suggest that U.S. news organizations deserve scrutiny ahead of RT and Sputnik is, once again, not surprising. Which is not to say it isn’t scandalous, because it surely is. In President Ronald Reagan’s day, the suggestion of any equivalence between Soviet propaganda and this country’s best media outlets would have fed outrage for weeks. As things stand today, there’ll be some op-ed-ing about this violation of our country’s constitutional norms, and on to the next stupid tweet.
So, Trump asks: Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country...
Oh, maybe because of the Constitution?
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Hard to believe, but Trump is one of the nominees for Nobel Peace Prize. Along with Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin and Pope Francis, the frontrunner.
The bookies give a slightly better chance to Trump than to Obama.
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Hard to believe, but Trump is one of the nominees for Nobel Peace Prize. Along with Angela Merkel, Barack Obama, Vladimir Putin and Pope Francis, the frontrunner.
The bookies give a slightly better chance to Trump than to Obama.
Those were all nonsense rumors. The award was made this morning and The International Campaign to Ban Nuclear Weapons is the choice. Good series of Blog posts over at The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/oct/06/nobel-peace-prize-2017-winner-live).
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Kissinger got the Peace prize too ! James M Buchanon the ultra right wing economist got a Nobel prize in 1986. He's the bloke who the Koch brothers love so much, his ideas are ultimately behind Trump because of that, even if "ideas" and "Trump" in the same sentence is a little ridiculous.
Keep on keeping on Jeff. I wonder what Trump nn we'll get to before he's out of office?
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Wait...Trump wants Congress to investigate the US New Media? Oh, really?
Autocracy, anyone? Trump calls for Senate investigation of media outlets. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/10/05/autocracy-anyone-trump-calls-for-senate-investigation-of-media-outlets/?utm_term=.703b9694cf71)
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So, Trump asks: Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country...
Oh, maybe because of the Constitution?
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Might this be that totalitarian take-over of the government that some people are so worried about? They usually start with muzzling the press, don't they? Best keep an eye out on those radio stations, at least the few left that are actually privately owned and not part of some corporate empire.
Seriously though, is there a better sign of a healthy press than when politicians complain about it. It's the equivalent of a Good Housekeeping stamp of approval. I don't have any friends who are journalists but they must be popping the champagne corks this morning in the press rooms. They must have this feeling now, more than ever I mean, that they're on the right track and are probably tempted to double-down. I guess we should be grateful that he's only tweeting this nonsense, in Russia they tend to murder journalists.
But even more seriously, if Trump really was such an astute corporate CEO, and he did work in "reality TV", shouldn't he be better at press management? With the power of the Presidency behind him and the GOP majorities in both Houses, are we really supposed to believe that a few reporters and columnists are holding back the country? Even Nixon was better at this than Trump. It smacks of desperation and incompetence to me, but then I thought that before anyway.
That image of him throwing paper towels and bags of rice at people in Puerto Rico keeps recurring. How is it possible to NOT be repulsed by this behaviour? Is there some subtext here that I'm not getting. Is this a dog whistle signal to his base that I am not comprehending? I can't help but ask the question, if Puerto Rico was primarily a high-end resort for chamber-of-commerce Republican country club golfers, would he have tossed paper towels at them?
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In September, the economy lost 33,000 jobs with the unemployment rate falling to a new post-crisis low of 4.2%. This is the first negative print for headline payroll gains since 2010.
So much about bringing back jobs, promised by Trump. During his inaugural address on January 20, he said he would add 25 million jobs over the next decade. Not a good start!
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-september-jobs-report-120955634.html
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I guess we should be grateful that he's only tweeting this nonsense, in Russia they tend to murder journalists.
Well, not only tweeting. Journalists have already been physically attacked, so who knows what's around the corner.
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Kissinger got the Peace prize too
He did. It led Tom Lehrer to announce that he was giving up satire, the competition being unfair.
Jeremy
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The American Taliban: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/sessions-calls-for-broad-religious-freedom-protections-243536 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/06/sessions-calls-for-broad-religious-freedom-protections-243536).
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Might this be that totalitarian take-over of the government that some people are so worried about?
Yes and he would be joining with some notoriously unpleasant characters....
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And yet his supporters, at least for now, seem perfectly willing to be his sheep and the GOP isn't really much better except for congressmen that have decided to not run in 2018 like Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker (R) who said "The President has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. He has not demonstrated that he understands what has made this nation great and what it is today, and he's got to demonstrate the characteristics of a president who understands that."
But it's going to take more GOP leaders to step up and reject Trump's behavior and it's going to take Trump supporters to realize that what Trump has sold them is a bill of goods that he can't really follow through on (even when it's painfully obvious he never really intended to from the beginning).
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Another example of Trump saying the words but failing to take action...
Trump declared an opioid emergency, but then did nothing (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-declared-opioid-emergency-then-did-nothing)
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US President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence speak to the press on August 10, 2017, at Trump's Bedminster National Golf Club in New Jersey
Speaking from one of his golf resorts in early August, Donald Trump used the words many in the public-health community wanted to hear.
“The opioid crisis is an emergency, and I’m saying officially, right now, it is an emergency,” the president said from Bedminster. “It’s a national emergency. We’re going to spend a lot of time, a lot of effort and a lot of money on the opioid crisis.”
As we discussed over the summer, Trump’s use of the word “officially” stood out because of its procedural significance: when a president makes an official emergency declaration, a series of steps are supposed to kick into action. NBC News reported at the time, “Experts said that the national emergency declaration would allow the executive branch to direct funds towards expanding treatment facilities and supplying police officers with the anti-overdose remedy naloxone.”
Four weeks later, the New York Times reported that the White House hadn’t actually followed up on this in any way.
When President Trump announced in early August, following a presidential commission’s recommendations, that the opioid crisis was a “national emergency,” he called it “a serious problem the likes of which we have never had.”
A month has now passed, and that urgent talk has yet to translate into urgent action. While the president’s aides say they are pursuing an expedited process, it remains to be seen how and by what mechanism Mr. Trump plans to direct government resources.
That was in September. As of yesterday, eight weeks have passed since Trump “officially” declared this an emergency, and he and his team still haven’t followed through.
Hum...I wonder how many overdose feathers there have been in the US since Aug 10th?
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Hum, based on last year's numbers of 50K deaths in 2016, assume about an average of about 137 deaths per day...so, since Aug 10th, likely some 8,000 overdose deaths have occurred since Trump said “The opioid crisis is an emergency, and I’m saying officially, right now, it is an emergency,”...pardon me, but I would think that if it's an emergency maybe it would be useful to actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE EMERGENCY?
Yeah, I know, he's been distracted by three hurricanes and a mass shooting...but that's what presidents are supposed to do multi-task! Maybe we need to have Fox and Friends do a report in the morning to get Trump's attention back...
Edited to fix broken link
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And speaking about the media...it seems that Trump's administration is trying to hide from mainstream media too...
Study: Trump officials overwhelmingly flock to Fox News (https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2017/10/06/study-prominent-trump-advocates-spurn-cnn-msnbc-they-flock-fox/218140)
Trump and his administration officials, family members, and lawyer are sticking to right-wing media
Media Matters tracked appearances on weekday cable news by 42 prominent Trump administration advocates between August 3 and October 2. Prominent members of Trump’s administration, his personal lawyer, and his family appeared on Fox News 78 times, with the majority going on Trump propaganda shows Hannity and Fox & Friends. In comparison, that same group of Trump advocates appeared on CNN and MSNBC only eight and six times, respectively.
The skew in appearances is in large part due to an inordinate number of appearances by Kellyanne Conway, Sebastian Gorka, Mick Mulvaney, and Jay Sekulow on Fox. Conway, who serves as counselor to the president, appeared on Fox News 17 times, compared to two appearances on CNN and zero appearances on MSNBC. Similarly, Gorka, who served as a deputy assistant to Trump until August 25, appeared on Fox News five times between August 3 and August 25, with no appearances on CNN and only one appearance on MSNBC (Gorka has additionally appeared on Fox six times since his resignation). Mulvaney, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, likewise made five appearances on Fox News but only a single appearance on CNN and MSNBC each. Lastly, Sekulow, who is Trump’s personal lawyer, appeared on Fox 12 times and CNN and MSNBC zero times.
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Out of the 78 appearances on Fox News, 60 percent were on either Fox & Friends or Hannity. There were 28 guest appearances on Fox & Friends in the two-month period by a wide range of Trump administration advocates and officials. The president himself appeared on Fox & Friends, as did Vice President Mike Pence, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Conway, Gorka, Sekulow, and nine different cabinet officials. On Hannity, there were a total of 19 appearances on Sean Hannity’s hour-long prime-time show by this group of people, with the most frequent guests being Sekulow (nine times), Conway (four times), and Gorka (two times). Additionally, Hannity hosted Sanders once, Trump’s son Eric twice, and Eric’s wife Lara once.
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While Trump cabinet officials and advisers have mostly stayed away from CNN and MSNBC, they’ve made time for appearances on a variety of far-right and right-wing outlets and radio stations. Following Hurricane Harvey, Pence interviewed with Rush Limbaugh (who has a history of pushing hurricane conspiracy theories) and Michael Berry (a radio host notorious for mocking black victims of gun violence in Chicago) among other conservative radio hosts. Additionally, Environmental Protection Agency Secretary Scott Pruitt appeared on Breitbart radio following Hurricane Harvey to deny the link between hurricanes and climate change. During the interview, host Alex Marlow pushed Pruitt to attack news coverage, and Pruitt responded by lashing out at “opportunistic media” and their “misplaced” coverage about climate change. This pattern of prominent Trump administration officials feeling more comfortable appearing on friendly right-wing outlets is also made apparent by Trump, whose only appearance on cable networks in the past two months was an interview with Fox & Friends. Yet, he will be appearing October 7 on Mike Huckabee’s new show, Huckabee, which is broadcast on Trinity Broadcasting Network.
So, what does this mean?
Trump and his followers (both staff, family and supporters) have pretty much given up on trying to make their case to mainstream America and have concentrated their attentions on maintaining their hardcore base of supporters...it's the very definition of an echo chamber where everything said is in direct line of support of the party line and nothing uncomfortable is ever reported on...
It's basically Trump's attempt to turn the right wing media into the propaganda arm of the Trump administration in the sad hope the rest of the American people won't notice the rug being pulled out from underneath them...
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure SOME Americans are noticing...
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https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/74qx40/kids_this_is_what_we_call_irony/
(scroll down on pix for punchline) :)
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A running commentary by artists of today's topics...(bookmark it)
OppArt (https://www.thenation.com/admin-taxonomy/oppart/)
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At this dangerous moment in history, our actions will determine our very survival. As artists, we use our pens, our pencils, our brushes, and our ideas to cast a light on darkness and combat the forces that are driving us towards a precipice. Curated by Andrea Arroyo, Steve Brodner, and Peter Kuper, OppArt features artistic dispatches from the front lines of resistance—check back each day as a diverse set of artists take aim and draw.
Today's art (Oct 6th, 2017)
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Andrea Arroyo (https://www.thenation.com/authors/andrea-arroyo/) works in fine art, public art, and illustration.
She is the creator of Unnatural Election: Artists Respond to the US Election (http://www.unnaturalelection.com/artwork).
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Mentioned before in the Trump II thread is this book...
Diagnosing Donald Trump, and His Voters (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/diagnosing-donald-trump)
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In the new book “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump,” mental-health experts unpack the mortal
danger of the President’s mind.
The question is not whether the President is crazy but whether he is crazy like a fox or crazy like crazy. And, if there is someone who can know the difference, should this person, or this group of people, say something—or would that be crazy (or unethical, or undemocratic)?
Jay Rosen, a media scholar at New York University, has been arguing for months (https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/855249805077032961) that “many things Trump does are best explained by Narcissistic Personality Disorder,” and that journalists should start saying so. In March, the Times published a letter (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/opinion/protect-us-from-this-dangerous-president-2-psychiatrists-say.html?_r=0) by the psychiatrists Robert Jay Lifton and Judith L. Herman, who stated that Trump’s “repeated failure to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and his outbursts of rage when his fantasies are contradicted” suggest that, “faced with crisis, President Trump will lack the judgment to respond rationally.” Herman, who is a professor at Harvard Medical School, also co-authored http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html) to President Obama, in November, urging him to find a way to subject President-elect Trump to a neuropsychiatric evaluation.
Lifton and Herman are possibly the greatest living American thinkers in the field of mental health. Lifton, who trained both as a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst, is also a psychohistorian; he has written on survivors of the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, on Nazi doctors, and on other expressions of what he calls “an extreme century” (the one before this one). Herman, who has done pioneering research on trauma, has written most eloquently on the near-impossibility of speaking about the unimaginable—and now that Donald Trump is, unimaginably, President, she has been speaking out in favor of speaking up. Herman and Lifton have now written introductory articles to a collection called “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President (https://aax-us-east.amazon-adsystem.com/x/c/QrZD973nZrxvxycXif4DkZMAAAFe9S2WhwEAAAFKAZxLlnQ/https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459/ref=as_at?creativeASIN=1250179459&linkCode=w50&tag=thneyo0f-20&imprToken=.JyeONfWfJt9fYfiMKiQAw&slotNum=0)” It is edited by Bandy X. Lee, a psychiatrist at the Yale School of Medicine who, earlier this year, convened a conference called Duty to Warn.
Later in the article, Trump supporters are specifically mentioned regarding why they may have voted for a man like Trump...(if you are a Trump supporter be warned you might not like this)
Psychiatrists who contributed to “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump” are moved by the sense that they have a special knowledge they need to communicate to the public. But Trump is not their patient. The phrase “duty to warn,” which refers to a psychiatrist’s obligation to break patient confidentiality in case of danger to a third party, cannot apply to them literally. As professionals, these psychiatrists have a kind of optics that may allow them to pick out signs of danger in Trump’s behavior or statements, but, at the same time, they are analyzing what we all see: the President’s persistent, blatant lies (there is some disagreement among contributors on whether he knows he is lying or is, in fact, delusional); his contradictory statements; his inability to hold a thought; his aggression; his lack of empathy. None of this is secret, special knowledge—it is all known to the people who voted for him. We might ask what’s wrong with them rather than what’s wrong with him.
Thomas Singer, a psychiatrist and Jungian psychoanalyst from San Francisco, suggests that the election reflects “a woundedness at the core of the American group Self,” with Trump offering protection from further injury and even a cure for the wound. The conversation turns, as it must, from diagnosing the President to diagnosing the people who voted for him. That has the effect of making Trump appear normal—in the sense that, psychologically, he is offering his voters what they want and need.
It's kinda eerie...and kinda true–both about Trump and his real, hardcore, never-say-die supporters...
This new normal isn't in any way a healthy normal...
NOTE: as of the time of this posting, the book is listed as Temporarily out of stock on Amazon but you can still get the ebook :~)
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So, why have Trump actually talk in public if we shouldn't pay attention to what he says...
White House: Take Trump's priorities seriously, not his comments (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/06/white-house-take-trumps-priorities-seriously-not-his-comments.html)
(https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2017/09/25/104730223-RTX3FXM0-sarah-sanders.720x405.jpg)
After a day of questions and concerns stemming from President Donald Trump's cryptic comment Thursday that "this is the calm before the storm," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Friday sought to deflect attention away from words Trump uses, saying the public, and America's enemies, should focus instead on his priorities.
Speaking at the White House daily press briefing, Sanders was asked how seriously the American public, and America's adversaries, should take his comments.
"I think you can take the president protecting the American people always extremely serious," she replied. "He's been very clear that that's his number one priority."
By urging people to focus on the president's priorities when she was asked about his statements, Sanders' message was clear. To understand the president's intentions, one occasionally may need to ignore what he says.
Wait, what? Is the press secretary actually telling reporters, the American citizens and leaders around the world to understand the president's intentions, one occasionally may need to ignore what he says?
#OMFG
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Trying to hide the Trump Admin's incompetence? You betcha!
FEMA buried updates on Puerto Rico. Here they are. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/06/fema-buried-updates-on-puerto-rico-here-they-are/?utm_term=.8b00e128b24c)
(http://schewephoto.com/misc/imrs.jpg)
Local residents watch as Air Force One transporting President Trump lands at Luis Muñoz Marin International
Airport on Sept. 3 as part of a visit to the areas affected by Hurricane Maria, in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
At some point this week, the Federal Emergency Management Agency removed information (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/?utm_term=.4c3f1ed2354c) from its website documenting how much of the island of Puerto Rico still lacked power or access to drinking water. Instead, our Jenna Johnson reported, the federal agency was relaying only positive information, documenting how many federal workers were on the ground and the extent to which roads had been cleared.
The reason for burying the bad news — fewer than 1 in 8 Puerto Ricans have electricity and barely over half have water — seems pretty obvious. President Trump has faced a great deal of criticism for his handling of the crisis on the island. (A poll released (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/04/less-than-a-third-of-americans-think-trump-has-handled-puerto-rico-well/?utm_term=.7ba0031cc845) this week found that fewer than a third of Americans thought Trump was handling the Puerto Rico response well.) By conveying information that suggests the island is still struggling, which it very much is, FEMA would only be reinforcing that perception.
The government of Puerto Rico, however, is updating this information at the site Status.pr (http://status.pr/?lng=en). There, you’ll see regular updates on a number of metrics, including electricity, water and cellphone coverage. It’s updated regularly — although it is in Spanish by default (Note: the link is for English) and lacks the trend over time.
It's pretty sad that when real and trackable data doesn't fit with Trump's view of reality, the administration tries to hide the incompetence by removing data...
This is a sick, sad man who can't stand to be viewed as the incompetent, bumbling fool that he is...and he has sycophants around him that try to prop him up in spite of the evidence they can't stand to be in that position...
#F@#king Moron
(hey, just quoting Tillerson)
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Yeah, I suspect Donny can't be too happy with these women...ya think?
Group plays Trump 'Access Hollywood' video for 12 hours near White House (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/06/group-plays-access-hollywood-video-near-white-house/741802001/)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/10/06/Local/Images/protest_026.JPG?uuid=kWq5IKqlEeeamAcUDS7tAg)
For 12 hours straight Friday on the National Mall, a women's rights organization played the 2005 Access Hollywood recording where President Trump made comments about groping women.
UltraViolet — a group that describes itself as a "community of people mobilized to fight sexism" — ran the video on a loop from 9 a.m. ET to 9 p.m. on a large screen near the White House. The video was part of the group's "Grab Back" rally, held on the first anniversary of the day The Washington Post released a video (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.26b708a9954f) of Trump making vulgar comments amid the heat of the 2016 campaign.
In the 2005 video, Trump talked about pursuing a married woman and bragged about being able to grope women because of his fame. "When you're a star, they let you do it," Trump said.
The group decided to "run the footage on a non-stop loop via giant screen nearby the White House" to remind "Americans that their President is a self-confessed serial sexual abuser."
Wow...today, Oct 7th was the day WaPo posted that video...and an hour later WikiLeaks dumped Podesta emails and was the day that Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national) indicating that Russia was actively engaged in meddling with the election.
Wow...if only we knew than what we know now. You think Trump would still have won? I don't...
#NotMyPresident
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It's pretty sad that when real and trackable data doesn't fit with Trump's view of reality, the administration tries to hide the incompetence by removing data...
Sad doesn't describe it, it's disgusting, makes me want to puke.
Cheers,
Bart
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Sad doesn't describe it, it's disgusting, makes me want to puke.
Cheers,
Bart
+1.
Eric
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That's why Schewe is offering it this time via IV...
Phenomenal, mate!!! Cheers! 😀😀😀
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So much about bringing back jobs, promised by Trump. During his inaugural address on January 20, he said he would add 25 million jobs over the next decade. Not a good start!
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/live-september-jobs-report-120955634.html
Les, Les... even the #FakeNews CNN had the right headline:
"Hurricane hit: U.S. lost 33,000 jobs in September"
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... All this cutting, pasting, ranting, etc. so reminds me of a spoiled child the first time he/she doesn't get it's way...
Not only a child, buddy, but also fits the worst stereotype of women gossiping, as Sharon noted.
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Les, Les... even the #FakeNews CNN had the right headline:
"Hurricane hit: U.S. lost 33,000 jobs in September"
I'm afraid that with Trump in the office, there will be many more jobs lost.
One day, the historians will write:
Trump hit: U.S. lost millions of jobs between 2016 and 2020
Here is the initial list:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/25/heres-a-list-of-people-trump-has-fired-or-threatened-to-fire/?utm_term=.4ca80bd0b2be
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I'm afraid that with Trump in the office, there will be many more jobs lost.
One day, the historians will write:
Trump hit: U.S. lost millions of jobs between 2016 and 2020...
The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump.
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The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump.
There are definitely quite a few beneficiaries. At least is some industries. Including ISP's who had to add all kinds od equipment to increase the Internet bandwidth. ;)
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The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump.
Your lack of economic history is totally baffling. The % increase in the stock market both under Clinton and Obama were much greater than what we have seen under Trump so far.
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For all those who find themselves confused and depressed by current political events, not just in the U.S.
but in most other countries, I offer up a speech made by Buenaventura Durruti, the Spanish anarchist, in answer
to those who were destroying Spain in the civil war.
"We have always lived in slums and holes in the wall. We will know how to accommodate ourselves for a while.
For you must not forget that we can also build. It is we who built these palaces and cities, here in Spain
and America and everywhere. We, the workers. We can build others to take their place. And better ones.
We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that.
The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history.
We carry a new world here, in our hearts. That world is growing in this minute."
The Koch's and Robert Mercers of this world and many others too, may be wealthy beyond our imagination, but they have
no REAL power.
Salgado describes some of this in his pictures, as do other photographers. I find Nick Brandt to be particularly
sobering at the moment.
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Your lack of economic history is totally baffling. The % increase in the stock market both under Clinton and Obama were much greater than what we have seen under Trump so far.
Right... teach me something about markets and history, please. Obama got in at the lowest point, after the worst recession since the Great Depression. It was all uphill after that anyway (and absolutely not thanks to him - he managed to preside over the LONGEST recovery in recent history).
Trump inherited an already high market, bound for a correction. The predictions were that his election would cause an immediate crash and panic in the markets, world-wide. And yet, the market jumped and continues to see a rosy future.
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Right... teach me something about markets and history, please. Obama got in at the lowest point, after the worst recession since the Great Depression. It was all uphill after that anyway (and absolutely not thanks to him - he managed to preside over the LONGEST recovery in recent history).
Trump inherited an already high market, bound for a correction. The predictions were that his election would cause an immediate crash and panic in the markets, world-wide. And yet, the market jumped and continue to see a rosy future.
You can't be serious !
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You can't be serious !
I'm sure he is. What is a little troubling is that these threads expose a worrying inability to collect and analyse data. No big deal - it's a photography forum anyway. But when you read the same people making comments or judgements about, say, the resolution of a lens, should you give that comment any more credence than when they talk rubbish about climate change or the stock market?
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I'm sure he is. What is a little troubling is that these threads expose a worrying inability to collect and analyse data...
Care to refute what I was saying? You or Pieter Kers?
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Care to refute what I was saying? You or Pieter Kers?
Absolutely! The chart HERE (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/10/the-stock-market-is-doing-well-under-donald-trump/) shows that the market under Obama out performed Trump when adjusted for the first year in office. Don't despair about the source being 'Mother Jones' as the chart comes from the FRED database which is run by the St. Louis Fed branch.
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Linking to your post, Alan - more effective in driving the point home when you see it 'in-line' ..
(http://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/blog_stock_market_obama_trump_first_year.gif)
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Well, figures don't lie but liars sure figure. Here's a classic example. Obama took over close to the pit of a recession. Trump took over during a period when the market already had stabilized. To top it off, the chart shows increases in percentages. Looks great! Doesn't mean a thing.
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Just as I thought and already said: selecting percentage growth and disregarding the starting point, you can "demonstrate" anything. This is what I said:
"... Obama got in at the lowest point, after the worst recession since the Great Depression. It was all uphill after that anyway (and absolutely not thanks to him - he managed to preside over the LONGEST recovery in recent history).
Trump inherited an already high market, bound for a correction. The predictions were that his election would cause an immediate crash and panic in the markets, world-wide. And yet, the market jumped and continue to see a rosy future."
Anybody with a modicum of statistical education would recognize the trick MJ and you are playing.
The same trick is used by annuities salesmen to prove that investing with them into their type of annuities outperforms the market every time.
The same explanation is why the Chinese economy grows at double-digit percentages, while the US merely manages 2-3 percents: different starting points, low for China, already high for the US.
For percentage-challenged, here is how it works: adding one unit of something (e.g., an airplane) to a low base of one results in a 100 percent growth; add anorher unit, for a total of three, gives a 50 percent growth, add a fourth unit, the growth becomes 33 percent, keep adding and it goes down: 25 percent, 20 percent, etc. When you add that one unit to and already high base of, say, 100, the growth is a meager one percent.
Elementary.
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Well, figures don't lie but liars sure figure. Here's a classic example. Obama took over close to the pit of a recession. Trump took over during a period when the market already had stabilized. To top it off, the chart shows increases in percentages. Looks great! Doesn't mean a thing.
Figures don't lie: During the first ~190 days of Obama the stock market went up ~30%, during the first ~190 days of Trump the stock market went up ~13%
Then the figuring starts: yes but Obama started in a recession and got an unfair advantage, and Trump's inauguration crowds were bigger, Trump has bigger hands, etc. etc. It's just bla - bla -bla and totally un- (and in-) credible.
Well if you buy those excuses it's up to you, I don't because I can smell crap from a long way away, and the least you can say is that Obama didn't do any worse then Trump with regards to the stock market in the first 190 days and we still have to see how well Trump holds on for the next 3 years.
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See where Obama started and where Trump started:
(http://www.richardcyoung.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Slide2.png)
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Well if you buy those excuses it's up to you, I don't because I can smell crap from a long way away, and the least you can say is that Obama didn't do any worse then Trump with regards to the stock market in the first 190 days and we still have to see how well Trump holds on for the next 3 years.
I certainly can say that, Pieter. You've even admitted that Obama's administration was lifting a cream puff while Trump's is lifting a barbell. If you want an equally meaningless comparison, compare where the main markets were at the end of Obama's 190th day versus where they were at the end of Trumps. But that meaningless comparison looks really, really good for Trump.
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Simply more figuring Slobodan and Russ, the Dow point increase is about equal, so there is no way Trump is "much beter" or even better at all in this respect.
I know you like and defend Trump but I don't buy all the crap that is spread about his "great deeds", in my mind most of it is hot air..
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Simply more figuring Slobodan and Russ, the Dow point increase is about equal, so there is no way Trump is "much beter" or even better at all in this respect.
I know you like and defend Trump but I don't buy all the crap that is spread about his "great deeds", in my mind most of it is hot air..
I know you are smarter than this, Pieter, arguing against elementary statistical knowledge (you are pro-science, I remember).
But all that actually has nothing to do with my original statement: "The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump."
For the uninitiated, markets reflect expectations about FUTURE returns.
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I know you are smarter than this, Pieter, arguing against elementary statistical knowledge (you are pro-science, I remember).
But all that actually has nothing to do with my original statement: "The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump."
For the uninitiated, markets reflect expectations about FUTURE returns.
I thought you were smarter than this as well Slobodan, apparently the future value increase under Obama was greater, so what's your point? ;)
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Trump II topic was deleted by the Administrators. They can do that? Why did they do that?
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I thought you were smarter than this as well Slobodan, apparently the future value increase under Obama was greater, so what's your point? ;)
My point, Pieter, should have been obvious from the beginning, but, for your convenience, I''ll repeat:
...all that actually has nothing to do with my original statement: "The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump."
Meaning that nothing in that sentence looks back or compares Trump to Obama. It was in response to the doomsday scenario, as Les mentioned the mantra from before the election, that under Trump, we will experience an immediate market crash, world-wide panic, massive unemployment, bubonic plague, meteorite hit, etc.
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Trump II topic was deleted by the Administrators. They can do that? Why did they do that?
They also remove Topics: Uninformed Opinions About Guns and Boris Johnson. That's awfully disrespectful to the posters. In the case of Trump II that ran 300+ pages over months and months, and added click totals to the website, suddenly administration decides to remove it. That's pretty insulting.
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Trump II topic was deleted by the Administrators. They can do that? Why did they do that?
http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=120893.0
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"The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump."
If you didn't compare to Obama, then my question is "rosier then what"
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If you didn't compare to Obama, then my question is "rosier then what"
The under Hillary.
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That's pretty insulting.
Not to me, the owners of the website can do whatever they please, I won't lose one minute of sleep over it. I wasn't going back to reread anything in that thread anyway.
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The under Hillary.
I think you were very happy that a "under Hillary" never happened, so there is no comparison.
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http://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=120893.0
Trump II wasn't just just down. The entire thread was deleted after 300+ pages.
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I know you are smarter than this, Pieter, arguing against elementary statistical knowledge (you are pro-science, I remember).
But all that actually has nothing to do with my original statement: "The stock market, reaching historic heights, apparently thinks the future is much rosier under Trump."
For the uninitiated, markets reflect expectations about FUTURE returns.
Pick me up off the floor, I'm convulsing with laughter. This is such a simplistic statement that I hope you are not an investor in individual stocks. As Ben Graham once said, "Mr. Market gives and Mr. Market takes away." The expectations about future returns are irrational as one can never predict the future.
Regarding the graph that I referenced earlier regarding the rise in stock prices under Obama and Trump, of course this is just silliness as are most all of the posts in this and the other Trump threads (some contributed by yours truly). One can find statistics that will tell all kinds of stories. This and the other thread on guns are not based on any truth but rather individual perceptions of the various participants. As such, it's highly doubtful that anyone's mind will change.
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Not to me, the owners of the website can do whatever they please, I won't lose one minute of sleep over it. I wasn't going back to reread anything in that thread anyway.
Well then can do anything they want. That doesn't mean it's right or respectful. They were perfectly willing to let it run for months and months adding to clicks for their web site for their advertising revenue. But then, when it ran its course, they delete the whole thing. Remember, we can do what we whatever we please too by just not clicking on the site at all. Why would I spend my time posting when the site can just give me the middle finger?
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I wonder what Jeff thinks about it?
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Pick me up off the floor, I'm convulsing with laughter. This is such a simplistic statement that I hope you are not an investor in individual stocks. As Ben Graham once said, "Mr. Market gives and Mr. Market takes away." The expectations about future returns are irrational as one can never predict the future.
Regarding the graph that I referenced earlier regarding the rise in stock prices under Obama and Trump, of course this is just silliness as are most all of the posts in this and the other Trump threads (some contributed by yours truly). One can find statistics that will tell all kinds of stories. This and the other thread on guns are not based on any truth but rather individual perceptions of the various participants. As such, it's highly doubtful that anyone's mind will change.
Both Bush and Obama and the Congress starting in 2008 under Bush initiated bailouts of financial institutions and to stimulate the economy. Also, the Federal Reserve printed money. Their balance sheet went from about $800 billion to 4 1/2 trillion. The US debt doubled from around $10 trillion to $20 trillion Basically all this created a bubble in the stock market that continues under Trump. Fake stimulation like we've had is an illusion. Unless business and the economy starts growing the old-fashioned way through capital investments and expansion of business, the market's going to take another hit.
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Pick me up off the floor, I'm convulsing with laughter. This is such a simplistic statement that I hope you are not an investor in individual stocks. As Ben Graham once said, "Mr. Market gives and Mr. Market takes away." The expectations about future returns are irrational as one can never predict the future...
I would comment on the bold part, but the forum rules (and especially the recent implementation) would ban me ;)
But to your serious point: "The expectations about future returns are irrational as one can never predict the future."
So?
The markets, irrational or not, have been a fixture of human existence for the last several thousand years.
And for the record, I am an investor in individual stocks and have done reasonably well so far. The "irrational" decision to marry the wrong person did more harm to me than the occasional wrong investment :)
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Marriage should never be based on a sense of investment; if it is, then it can't but fail. There are many reasons to consider it - carefully.
Again, there's a song for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPGevMAIjjc
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Trump II topic was deleted by the Administrators. They can do that?
They also remove Topics: Uninformed Opinions About Guns and Boris Johnson.
According to the second amendment to the LuLa constitution:
A well-regulated forum, being necessary to the maintenance of even tempers, the right of the moderators to remove egregious submissions shall not be infringed.
I plead guilty to contributing posts to both the Trump II and Guns threads—I hope not overly tendentious ones—although not to the Boris Johnson, because one buffoonish politician with funny hair is my quota. But I can empathize with Chris's attempt to keep these forums civil and, frankly, maybe it is time for everyone to get back to talking about photography.
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According to the second amendment to the LuLa constitution:
I plead guilty to contributing posts to both the Trump II and Guns threads—I hope not overly tendentious ones—although not to the Boris Johnson, because one buffoonish politician with funny hair is my quota. But I can empathize with Chris's attempt to keep these forums civil and, frankly, maybe it is time for everyone to get back to talking about photography.
But why delete the whole thread? If there's a need because its gone off the trail, then shut it down, block the one or two posts, but leave the rest of the thread. If I posted one offensive photo, would it be right to delete my entire portfolio?