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Equipment & Techniques => Cameras, Lenses and Shooting gear => Topic started by: mhospelt on June 23, 2015, 02:39:31 pm
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Does the L-plate of a Canon 5D III fit the new 5D S? Thanks
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1371568
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1371848
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1370974
Summary: Yes - but I haven't tried it myself (yet).
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Yes, unqualifiedly.
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I just swapped my Kirk L-plate from my 5D3 to the 5Ds, and it sure seems to fit just fine.
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If the OP allow me to add to the question, how about the kirk L-plate for the 5D mark 2 does it work on the Mark 3?
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Read on further with fm. Really right stuff responded. And other posts describing the difference in the bottom and where the screw goes. I don't think I will do the 5d3 l plate. (Without grip). Maybe the new RRS or Kirk
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If the OP allow me to add to the question, how about the Kirk L-plate for the 5D mark 2--does it work on the Mark 3?
No; the plates for the 'D2 and 'D3/'DS/R are NOT the same.
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No; the plates for the 'D2 and 'D3/'DS/R are NOT the same.
thanks
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Read on further with fm. Really right stuff responded. And other posts describing the difference in the bottom and where the screw goes. I don't think I will do the 5d3 l plate. (Without grip). Maybe the new RRS or Kirk
Correct, there seems to be a risk of deforming the camera's base. Not a good idea.
Cheers,
Bart
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It's very odd that Kirk is not selling a new plate for the 5DS/5DSR. The L-bracket and flat plate for the new cameras have the same part numbers as the 5D3 plates.
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Apparently Kirk is a different design than RRS. And has better support on the base of the camera. So the Kirk should be ok with the 5ds body?
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It's very odd that Kirk is not selling a new plate for the 5DS/5DSR. The L-bracket and flat plate for the new cameras have the same part numbers as the 5D3 plates.
Why is it odd? The two camera bottoms are the same shape and size and the port doors are the same size and in the same position.
If you WANT to spend more money, I believe RRS has a new two-piece 90-degree plate for $185 instead of $140.
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Why is it odd? The two camera bottoms are the same shape and size and the port doors are the same size and in the same position.
If you WANT to spend more money, I believe RRS has a new two-piece 90-degree plate for $185 instead of $140.
It's odd because:
A. Numerous people on LL, FM, and other forums say their RRS 5D3 L-plates fit the 5DS cameras perfectly, including all of the side ports.
B. Someone on FM forums wrote to RRS asking whether their 5D3 plate would fit the new cameras and got the following response:
"Thank you for contacting us about this new camera. Whenever a new version of a camera is released, the first thing we always test is whether or not the previous generation plate will work. That being said, we are extremely picky about the fit and function of our plates on every camera body, because our customers demand a perfect fit and function. There are three specific issues that required a re-design and a new plate for this new camera.
1) new camera does not sit level on the existing plate
2) new camera does not sit flush against the existing plate
3) minor changes to the port side of the camera affect the L-portion fit of the existing plate on the new camera"
C. Kirk is selling the same flat plates and L-plates for the 5D3, 5DS, and 5DSR.
Items A and B above can't both be correct, and item C confuses everything. I've got a RRS 2-piece L-plate for my 1DX. For that it's OK because the camera lives on long tripod-mounted lenses and I've never even installed the "L" part of the plate, but I might want to sometime. On the 5DSR I'd never take the plate apart and I see no point in having a 2-part plate that's always assembled as 1 part, never to be separated, not to mention paying more for it. I think my solution will be to buy a Kirk plate from B&H where I can send it back if it's not a perfect fit. Given the RRS response above I'm not comfortable buying a RRS 5D3 plate for the 5DS, which otherwise would have been my solution for a 1-piece L-plate.
[Edit] The part of the Kirk plate that fits against the bottom of the camera seems to have a shallow rectangular recess around the tripod mounting area and is otherwise considerably different than the RRS plate, which is mostly smooth and flat. It's at least possible that the Kirk plate fits all three cameras equally well, while without that recess the RRS 5D3 plate may not fit the 5DS camera as well.
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Good post. I probably will go with Kirk. Even though I have had RRS, including ball head, brackets for years
I have a RRS l bracket on my 1ds mkiii. And have never taken it off
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[Edit] The part of the Kirk plate that fits against the bottom of the camera seems to have a shallow rectangular recess around the tripod mounting area and is otherwise considerably different than the RRS plate, which is mostly smooth and flat. It's at least possible that the Kirk plate fits all three cameras equally well, while without that recess the RRS 5D3 plate may not fit the 5DS camera as well.
Hi Dean,
This (non-flatness of the 5DS bottom) seems to be the defining difference that requires a fitting bottom plate design, and possibly an already slightly wider opening on the Kirk to access the ports. Those who reported no issues with access to the ports with the 5D3 L-plate, do not specify with which connectors they tried it. Some HDMI (type C) and USB 3.0 connectors are wider on the outside than others.
The lack of images of the camera bottoms amazes me. That makes comparing the differences impossible for those who do not have both models actually in front of them. The side-ports seem to be positioned in roughly the same spot (although with rearranged sockets and without microphone socket), but the outer connector width may cause issues on an L-plate with a too narrow plate opening.
Cheers,
Bart
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Hi Dean,
This (non-flatness of the 5DS bottom) seems to be the defining difference that requires a fitting bottom plate design, and possibly an already slightly wider opening on the Kirk to access the ports. Those who reported no issues with access to the ports with the 5D3 L-plate, do not specify with which connectors they tried it. Some HDMI (type C) and USB 3.0 connectors are wider on the outside than others.
The lack of images of the camera bottoms amazes me. That makes comparing the differences impossible for those who do not have both models actually in front of them. The side-ports seem to be positioned in roughly the same spot (although with rearranged sockets and without microphone socket), but the outer connector width may cause issues on an L-plate with a too narrow plate opening.
Cheers,
Bart
Thanks, Bart.
What you describe is exactly my situation. I've been using a 1DS3 for landscape and other low ISO work because to my eyes there has been no significant base ISO IQ improvement until now. In fact the 1DS3 seems to have less pattern noise and some other advantages, but that's a different topic. For action and high ISO work I've been using a 1DX. Between the lack of good comparative photos of the camera bottoms and the lack of a 5D3 there is no point of reference.
Canon have strengthened the tripod mounting area in the 5DS by using a thicker plate with more attachment points, so it makes some sense that there might be a difference in the bottom surface. That was confirmed in a 5DS tear down by Roger Cicala at lens rentals, but he makes no comparison between the bottom surface profiles of the 5D3 and 5DS. Anyway, I think it's better to be safe than sorry on this one.
On top of that I do not want a 2-piece L-plate on the 5DSR because for me it provides no added functionality at a higher price and weight. RRS has always been my preferred manufacturer so I was hoping their one piece 5D3 L-plate would fit the 5DS. Without that option a Kirk L-plate is my best alternative.
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RRS has always been my preferred manufacturer so I was hoping their one piece 5D3 L-plate would fit the 5DS. Without that option a Kirk L-plate is my best alternative.
Hi Dean,
I understand, but there is no real confirmation that the Kirk L-plate for the 5D Mark III fits the bottom of the 5DS either (it also looks kind of flat except for some openings). In fact, to add to the lack of solid info and confusion, they place ghosted-images of the 5D Mark III on their 5DS pages (http://www.kirkphoto.com/L-bracket_for_Canon_EOS_5DS.html#) ...
Cheers,
Bart
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I think you guys are "pixl peeping" to me the RRS L-Plate for my 5DIII is a perfect fit for my new 5DsR, I dont see any differences what camera (5DIII or 5DsR) the plate is mounted on, port access are the same.
I am even considering to buy this guy for the 5DsR:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1084612-REG/sunwayfoto_pcl_5diiir_l_bracket_for.html
Anyone have any experience with Sunwayfoto ?
Cheers
TES
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I bought both an RRS and SunwayFoto L bracket for my Fuji X-T1. I liked the Sunwayfoto better so I gave the RRS to my wife for her X-T1. The machining and finish looked the same to my eye. The rest of my cameras are all Canons with RRS L brackets although I don't have a 5D3 or 5DS.
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I buy one piece Kirk L brackets for my kit. One of their L brackets protected my 6D from a corner blow (I slipped backward, camera in hand, and fell hard on rock). L bracket got a scratch in its black anodized finish. Camera perfectly happy. Photographer......limping and sore for a bit.
Sunwayfoto: Reasonable quality rails and clamps. Have not tried their L bracket designs.
Whatever you buy, make sure that it has easy access to ports, batteries, card - some knockoffs I have seen on Amazon look improperly designed, which is why I bought Kirk.
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I think you guys are "pixl peeping" to me the RRS L-Plate for my 5DIII is a perfect fit for my new 5DsR, I dont see any differences what camera (5DIII or 5DsR) the plate is mounted on, port access are the same.
I am even considering to buy this guy for the 5DsR:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1084612-REG/sunwayfoto_pcl_5diiir_l_bracket_for.html
Anyone have any experience with Sunwayfoto ?
Cheers
TES
I'd agree and call it plate peeping, but RRS themselves say their existing 5D3 plate does not fit the 5DS and they list the reasons. (See my earlier post.) That seems like enough reason to scrap the idea of purchasing a 5D3 plate for the 5DS. Unfortunately RRS plans only a 2-piece design so this rules out the new, not yet released, RRS L-plate for me.
FWIW I found these photos, though they aren't great for the purpose of comparison:
5D3 (http://dpinterface.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d3/canon-5d3-bottom.jpg)
5DS (https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2015/06/Canon_5DSR_battery.jpg)
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RRS have formally announced their L bracket for the 5DS/R - its a two piece design like a 1DX bracket.
It looks very well thought out - note the attention to the strap area.
RRS L Bracket (http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-5DS-5DSR/B5DS-L-plate-for-5DS-5DSR.html).
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thanks this has been a very interesting discussion. I have the RRS L bracket for my 1DX and like the design. On occasion I do remove the upright portion and more rarely, usually when tethering, slide it out to the second position.
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Today I received the new RRS L-brackets for my 5DS bodies and I am not happy about the increase in weight. See -
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1370974/5#13095315
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Today I received the new RRS L-brackets for my 5DS bodies and I am not happy about the increase in weight. See -
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1370974/5#13095315
Honestly I think complaining about the weight is a bit erroneous. By making the bracket in two parts there was always going to be an increase in weight over a single piece. I prefer the convenience of a two piece bracket. I mean it adds a few grams.. if thats really a concern we should eat less donuts.
That said.. if it really does matter to you to save those few grams.. buy the Kirk one piece.
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Today I received the new RRS L-brackets for my 5DS bodies and I am not happy about the increase in weight.
Hi Rajan,
You may be able to feel the difference, which is amazing for such a small difference when mounted on the camera, but approx. 0.5% increase of the total camera+plate weight is usually not considered significant. Differences of 1% or more are normally considered significant in human perception.
Looking at the new RSS bracket, the main difference in the bottom plate fit seems to be in the non-twist flange designs. I assume that RRS found that there was too much tightness in the 5D3 plate, hence the warning about warping the cameras bottom plate when fastening the tripod screw connection. So maybe it would be wise to add a thin filler should you instead get a Kirk plate.
Cheers,
Bart
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When I first read your question, I thought "Hmmm, L-plates for the 5DIII/5DS? Someone making a joke about Canon still learning to build cameras?"
:)
LOL, not Canon, but perhaps for the users of that camera?
Cheers,
Bart
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Josh and Bart -
The 5DS weighs less than the 5DIII, so it is annoying that RRS went the other way. They could have offered a single piece option that came in at or less than the L-bracket for the 5DIII which, by the way, fits the 5DS without any undue pressure and provides full access to the ports. It has already been mentioned in this thread that Kirk's L-bracket for 5DS is the same item carried forward from 5DIII.
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Josh and Bart -
The 5DS weighs less than the 5DIII, so it is annoying that RRS went the other way. They could have offered a single piece option that came in at or less than the L-bracket for the 5DIII which, by the way, fits the 5DS without any undue pressure and provides full access to the ports. It has already been mentioned in this thread that Kirk's L-bracket for 5DS is the same item carried forward from 5DIII.
So why not order yourself a 5dmk3 bracket and be done with it? Sorry. I don't understand your gripe. You have a choice here. Get a rrs 5dsr bracket, or, If you want a one piece light weight option get a kirk or a Rrs 5dmk3 bracket. Your problem is solved. You have a choice!
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So why not order yourself a 5dmk3 bracket and be done with it? Sorry. I don't understand your gripe. You have a choice here. Get a rrs 5dsr bracket, or, If you want a one piece light weight option get a kirk or a Rrs 5dmk3 bracket. Your problem is solved. You have a choice!
I already have the L-brackets from my 5DIII bodies. My "gripe" is that RRS has not lived up to its "Really Right Stuff" name by making the L-plate heavier than it needs to be. As a longtime user and admirer of RRS products, it is okay for me to gripe.
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Hi all,
Quick question for someone who owns a Kirk and and RRS L bracket or plate.
Are the dovetails the same size and profile?
I've never seen these two together, but I have a couple of different 'Arca' style plates, and the dovetails are of differing dimensions = annoying with a lever style clamp.
Having just looked at both of these, I think I'd go the Kirk.
Cheers
AL
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Hi all,
Quick question for someone who owns a Kirk and and RRS L bracket or plate.
Are the dovetails the same size and profile?
I've never seen these two together, but I have a couple of different 'Arca' style plates, and the dovetails are of differing dimensions = annoying with a lever style clamp.
Having just looked at both of these, I think I'd go the Kirk.
Cheers
AL
I own both types and they look the same side by side, but that doesn't mean they are the same. I don't think it's possible to tell if the profiles are truly identical just by looking at them side by side. It would take just tiny difference to make a lever clamp tight or loose. I use a screw type RRS clamp because I have various RRS, Kirk, and Wimberley plates going back decades that I occasionally want to use.
See also: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1033614
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As a longtime user and admirer of RRS products, it is okay for me to gripe.
Its not only OK to gripe, it what forums are used for, sharing our thoughts and reasons why we like things a certain way. I think the makers of this crap also love negative(R&D uses) and postive (marketing uses) feedback. one goes with the other.
Gripe on Raj!!
(I'm still looking for the "hands on" 5DS /R thread that this posts title kinda lead me on to read here!)
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Its not only OK to gripe, it what forums are used for, sharing our thoughts and reasons why we like things a certain way. I think the makers of this crap also love negative(R&D uses) and postive (marketing uses) feedback. one goes with the other.
Gripe on Raj!!
(I'm still looking for the "hands on" 5DS /R thread that this posts title kinda lead me on to read here!)
You know. you are right. It is ok to gripe, its even ok to whinge and complain and that is partly what forums are for.
I just found it sort of petty to complain about a weight increase that is really pretty tiny. But what the heck.. grip away. ;D
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You know. you are right. It is ok to gripe, its even ok to whinge and complain and that is partly what forums are for.
I just found it sort of petty to complain about a weight increase that is really pretty tiny. But what the heck.. grip away. ;D
The weight difference is not tiny if you operate with 2 bodies slung over simultaneously like I do. It won't break my back but I look to shaving off every ounce I can in these circumstances, and an L bracket is the last place I want to add grams to.
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The weight difference is not tiny if you operate with 2 bodies slung over simultaneously like I do. It won't break my back but I look to shaving off every ounce I can in these circumstances, and an L bracket is the last place I want to add grams to.
'Tiny' is subjective. To me it is a tiny difference as I usually shoot with two 1DX's.
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My RRS Bracket arrived yesterday and is now mounted to the 5Ds.
Work-wise I often shoot tethered to a Nexus 7 tablet so an extendable 2 piece L bracket that accommodates the cable restraint that is supplied with and recommended for use with the camera is mandatory. The RRS product does this.
Attached is a shot of that setup in portrait mode. (Note that the USB 3 cable is not the supplied Canon cable and that the shot was taken with the wonderful Panasonic Lumix LX100.)
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae220/one_iota/P1020002_2048_zpsjksmayyh.jpg)