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« Reply #320 on: March 15, 2010, 08:59:54 pm »

Bernard!  I forgot for a moment that you were in Japan.  What good luck!  I have a feeling you are going to buy one of these indeed.  Surely the Japanese menus won't be a difficulty for you.  I could sound out the kana, but it would take me a little practice.

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« Reply #321 on: March 15, 2010, 09:41:58 pm »

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some YouTube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_quer..._type=&aq=f

A Japanese photographer friend was nice to translate:

Target is high end landscape amateur
Sturdy camera body (almost no plastic)
Usable with FA645 Lenses  (FA645 lenses are already focus/color calibrated to the camera; 6x7 lenses are not yet)
Operational up to -10c
13 continuous frames (Raw +s-jpg)
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« Reply #322 on: March 16, 2010, 12:04:55 am »

I've worked for both the grumpy and the happy stills shooters.  The happy had a realistic view of themselves.  They had a name, they worked, they showed the client  agood time, and would laugh at their mistakes.  The grumpy were so bitter that Terry Richardson was getting play and they weren't, that they seathed anger and venom, even towards clients.  

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i agree with that...some people i assisted for....i mean they REALLY hated their job/life...and it seemed like they were the ones with the highest paying jobs....but also with the nicest studio, apartement, the house in the hamptons,....mo money mo problems....they all did one or the other things to get through the day....there were other people as well but dealing with both taught me that if you can't handle pressure, get a different job and in the end: it is not like directing a movie where you have a lot more pressure (but also a lot more excuses i guess, more people to blame if things don't work out...)
the good thing about digital is that we know we have the shot and can move on...the bad: we know we have the shot, let's move on, and on and on.....

i think that one of the biggest responsibilities of being a photographer is making it look like fun...problem solving on the fly with ease...getting the shot...mentally preparing for what might/can happen...previsualization (which is different for everybody, some people draw it out, some don't...) know what you want to do and how to get there....from several different angles...go with the flow of the day....don't hold on to something that does not work.....make the best of what is there....if the talent was booked assuming they can skate but they can't, figure it out....that is the advantage of still shoots....

the photographer is an entertainer and every night the crowd is a little different....you have to be able to read it...and adjust....

it is never fun if: the equipment slows you down and becomes the center of the shoot....if some people have an attitude and don't see the shoot as a team sport....but again: that is mostly up to the photographer to assemble the right team.....

i have never been to sxsw but from what i have heard it used to be like what bcooter is talking about.....but it has already turned into a commercial...thing....although not as bad as sundance...yet....
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« Reply #323 on: March 16, 2010, 12:23:57 am »

I just bought a used Littman.  I've been shooting Fuji 4x5 instant film.  I've been shooting people on the street, in Brooklyn and in Virginia, and just giving them the print after I look at it.  Its a pure experience, its not even for a photo I can keep.  I shot a job on Friday and to warm up the crowd shot instant film with the Littman and handed out the prints.  Holding a one off artifact in your hands is a pure moment.  
 

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I know two or three guys like that, right now. Frustrated with the dog and pony show. One of them, his therapist told him to go buy a Film Camera, and not to do any Personal Work with the 5D2 because it was infected with Art Director and Client Suggestions. The funk that they said to him during shoots was actually showing up in the RAW files, if you zoomed in to 200% and looked hard. The funk was like little clumps of black (coal). Nasty. Couldn't even clone it out; it was just stuck there.

The Film Camera had to stay pure and uninfected. The Film Camera was like 1969, and Volkswagen vans, and CrosbyStills&Nash, and running thru fields. Pure.

I laughed at first, when I heard that, then I realized that he was onto something there. I haven't been the same since.
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« Reply #324 on: March 16, 2010, 02:56:54 am »

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In my experience in all creative jobs it's the same: today the task is to deliver the same quality level as in 2005 but for much less money than in 2005 (maybe not for you personally but for the production).


How photographer's work on set wasn't really my point.  It was more about the creativity than the process.

We all know to run an efficient set is a team effort and any good photographer that has success is usually excellent at short term management.

Actually, since I never assisted, or had a single class in photography,  I probably know less about how other photographers work than any person in the business, but sometimes I think that's good, maybe not.

What I was referring to was how to get the creative briefs past the safe and careful situation most advertising and editorial seems to be continually mired in.

I think, and once again this is just my opinion, that somehow production skills have replaced creativity.  How many times do you hear great shot, great lighting, great background but in reality the concept has been repeated a thousand times before, if there really was a concept in the first place?

I think today, with the schools, the web, assisting and training a lot of photographers know how to take a professional photograph, but I'm not sure if all of them know why to take the photograph.

Not to dwell on the past but do you think Rolling Stone would today run a spread of Roseanne Barr covered in Mud, Whoopie in a bath tub of Milk, or that famous John and Yoko shot in bed?  How about Esquire.  A cover of Andy Warhol drowning in a Can of soup, or Lt. Calley surrounded by Vietnamese Children?

Look at that famous Apple commercial of the woman throwing the mallet into the screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IAzkTpqcNo  Now we have Ipad ads that look like soft drink ads, that look like insurance company ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS439jCOoEg...feature=related

We just don't see that kind of bravery in main stream editorial and advertising anymore and I don't see it as a failure of the public, publishers, ad agencies or clients, I see it as a failure on our part, (the artists) to pitch these type of projects until someone finally bites and gets it in circulation, (either print or electronic).

I don't believe we're without creativity, but I do believe we've become far too weighted towards the production values and process and as much as we all need a team to produce work, the team mentality has gone to the point that sometimes there are way too many cooks in the kitchen.

As far as Happy, well that's a moving target, but me, I very happy, God have a great life, (other than the hours) but compared to 99.9999% of the world I get a front row seat to the strangest and greatest show on Earth.  

Does that mean I don't want more, to go further, stretch it as far as possible?

Of course I do . . . that's the goal.

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« Reply #325 on: March 16, 2010, 08:03:41 am »

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How photographer's work on set wasn't really my point.  It was more about the creativity than the process.

We all know to run an efficient set is a team effort and any good photographer that has success is usually excellent at short term management.

Actually, since I never assisted, or had a single class in photography,  I probably know less about how other photographers work than any person in the business, but sometimes I think that's good, maybe not.

What I was referring to was how to get the creative briefs past the safe and careful situation most advertising and editorial seems to be continually mired in.

I think, and once again this is just my opinion, that somehow production skills have replaced creativity.  How many times do you hear great shot, great lighting, great background but in reality the concept has been repeated a thousand times before, if there really was a concept in the first place?

I think today, with the schools, the web, assisting and training a lot of photographers know how to take a professional photograph, but I'm not sure if all of them know why to take the photograph.

Not to dwell on the past but do you think Rolling Stone would today run a spread of Roseanne Barr covered in Mud, Whoopie in a bath tub of Milk, or that famous John and Yoko shot in bed?  How about Esquire.  A cover of Andy Warhol drowning in a Can of soup, or Lt. Calley surrounded by Vietnamese Children?

Look at that famous Apple commercial of the woman throwing the mallet into the screen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IAzkTpqcNo  Now we have Ipad ads that look like soft drink ads, that look like insurance company ads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS439jCOoEg...feature=related

We just don't see that kind of bravery in main stream editorial and advertising anymore and I don't see it as a failure of the public, publishers, ad agencies or clients, I see it as a failure on our part, (the artists) to pitch these type of projects until someone finally bites and gets it in circulation, (either print or electronic).

I don't believe we're without creativity, but I do believe we've become far too weighted towards the production values and process and as much as we all need a team to produce work, the team mentality has gone to the point that sometimes there are way too many cooks in the kitchen.

As far as Happy, well that's a moving target, but me, I very happy, God have a great life, (other than the hours) but compared to 99.9999% of the world I get a front row seat to the strangest and greatest show on Earth.  

Does that mean I don't want more, to go further, stretch it as far as possible?

Of course I do . . . that's the goal.

BC
Indeed.
There is a funny paradox. There have never been as many photographers, or people who want to be photographer, as now. Every kid can display his pics to the world for free in a decent website. The access to information is immediate, finding gear has never been as easy and photoshop allows a level of post-production unthinkable some 15 years ago.  Do we see more great pistures? More creativity ? Well, if with much more oportunities than ever, we do not see better creativity, is that the creativity in itself is simply lower than ever.

There is less fun, that's the point and that is where I agree most with BC.
I see it in agencies, lot of pressure, prices down for more amount of work and technical specs as the new gurus.
The Pentax 645D? yeah, fine, great news, affordable 40 MP.
When I was student in fine arts and wanted to print big, the only MF I could afford was a 150 euros 6x6 Lubitel. Very bad. But it was fun and I did many huge print with that toy in the school wet darkroom. I remember photographers had fun, art director where fun and marketing department did not have the importance of nowdays.

Now everything happen in cold offices, everything smell this sickening artificial air from these bloody offices full of arrogant executives: I can't stand theses places.
Almost all photographers that I know are poorer than before and do not enjoy their job at all, except when they sometimes come back to the source.
There are so many photographers in buisiness that it has become almost impossible to take risk, and sadly tech as overcome art.

Look at that Pentax, how it amazes: "Whao this spec, whao that one, Bravo Pentax, Fantastic, brillant, wonderfull..."
But this Pentax is as good and as bad as anything else that has been ever produced.
It seems that it is the time to admire gears more than pics, more than creativity.

I don't give a damn about this Pentax or this other gear. They are as bad as my 150 euro lubitel.
Yes, a pink camera...

Fred.
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« Reply #326 on: March 16, 2010, 10:44:25 am »

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Does that mean I don't want more, to go further, stretch it as far as possible?
Of course I do . . . that's the goal.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this - much appreciated!
Now the question is in which field can you go further? In commerce? Unlikely... if possible at all (within the foreseeable future).
IMO the only way to really go further (in any aspect "going further" might refer to) is in personal work (either way in photography, music, performance arts, painting...).
It's quite easy to reproduce yourself in a certain way of lighting, point of view, colors, "look" or so as all this is related to your skills.
It's much harder to develop and to refine a personal style.
And it's even harder to develop a signature (so that your work is distuingishable from others). This is, IMO, a long term process that you can only achieve in personal work as nobody tells you how the image(s) should look like. Of course, working as a professional in any kind of creative business won't hinder you to reach that goal. But you won't reach it working on a job, you will reach it only in personal work. In consequence that means you have to have (i.e.: to take) the time for personal work.
... IMO.
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« Reply #327 on: March 16, 2010, 11:55:56 am »

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Actually, since I never assisted, or had a single class in photography ...

May I ask where you transitioned from? Were you an A.D. ?
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« Reply #328 on: March 16, 2010, 01:13:07 pm »

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May I ask where you transitioned from? Were you an A.D. ?

Yes I started in print production then made A.D.   Worked under a great creative director, in a small but good medium sized agency, that went from very creative and stable  then the agency  lost it's way when they went for the huge money and huge accounts.

I think I had a strange way of art direction when it came to photography.  I always hired people I trusted, but never spent much time on set.  I would start the day with the parameters of the shoot and usually leave, or if I just absolutely had to be there, never wanted to be bothered by the photographer handing me a polaroid every time he/she moved a light on changed the position of a fork.    My opening statement was to make sure I was covered, don't get me fired, but if you can truly be inspirational I don't mind if I go back and get yelled at.  Getting yelled at is not that big a deal if we produced something worthwhile.

I would try to  hire for talent not specialty.  I never liked "specialists" because I felt they were myopic and since they knew only their genre, it always looked somewhat generic to me.  I'd hire a photojournalists to shoot a resort, a fashion guy to shoot product, . . . (not always) but tried to hire the photographer for their personality, their vision or I guess maybe the word is style,   Don't know because that covers a lot of territory, but I always tried to stay away from the predicable.

I remember the product gig I hired the fashion guy for.  He had never shot food products, wouldn't know how to work a view camera if you sent him to RIT , but he could make the two dimensional look real and three dimensions, so he got the gig.  

Got yelled at for that one, until the client saw it and was overwhelmed that their cheese product could actually look that way in use.  I'll never forget the client said "this is why we hire an ad agency, to be creative".  

How does this relate to this camera.  I don't know other than the Pentax to me is just another predicable variation of the theme.  Maybe it gives a little bit different look, obviously a better lcd than other mfdb, but basically it's just another small framed digital camera that probably will shoot amazing detail in a world full of small framed digital cameras that all shoot amazing detail.

Actually truth be told I'm more impressed with some of the smaller consumerish cameras out there.  They may not allow you to tether, but in ways they are almost ground breaking with some of the things they do.

As I am writing this I just received a large PDF from a client on re-use from a gig we shot in Korea at the end of 2008.   On this gig I had phase backs, Nikons, Canons, and for this particular shot I used a Nikon N-90 (or is that D-90) I get them mixed up.

I bought the camera to shoot some video (it was a few months before the 5d2 appeared), but since this session framed out where the subject was running very fast on the far side of the frame, the little Nikon's focus points covered most of the frame, so it tracked every frame in focus.

I didn't think it would work so after we shot the first session, we threw it on the computer and looked at it very large size.  Did it have the detail of a P-30 or even a 1ds3 . . . no, but those cameras would never have held focus, so 20 to 30 mpx doesn't mean much if it's soft.

The funny thing was in this setting, the N-90 had to prettiest look out of the camera.  I guess that covers a lot of territory, but compared to every other camera the skin tones were beautiful, the focus worked, the shot worked, everybody was happy and I got paid.

But and this is just my opinion (well it's all my opinion cause it's the only opinion I can honestly quote) I think any artist can be more than one dimensional or for that matter multi task.  I've heard it before that so and so only shoots lingerie, or beer, or basketball, but I've never really believed that had to be true.

I use to think we are what we shoot, but today, we are what we are paid to shoot . . . but only for the moment.


BC
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« Reply #329 on: March 16, 2010, 04:24:22 pm »

Fun. Yes, that's a rather newish tack for some of you folks to adopt, and on reading this thread in its continuity I realise that it all boils down to change: the change from the photographer being the photographer to the photographer becoming producer too, God help him.

I have mentioned a few times that I believe that had digital been the way of life in 1960, then I wouldn't have been tempted to engage with the life of professional photography. The reason for this is becase of mindset. I have never had much interest in things tecnical, and film certainly didn't stretch the powers of the mind very far: it did what it did, usually very well and reliably, and where some have expressed the current joy of knowing they 'have got the shot'  because of digital,  I can only say that I knew if I had got the shot at the time of going click! I can't honestly say that I had any real fears about things going amiss between shot and processing - one was used to the process and it held few fears. Of course things could go wrong, just as they still can, regardless of what you might get to see in the back of the camera or on your monitor; Sod always has his Law with which to play.

But getting back to the crux of this: fun. It was the sense of fun that photography offered me that drew me in; the thoughts of travel, lots of pretty girls around the place, what was there not to like, especailly when you could make money from it and somebody else paid for everything! And it was all about creating beauty. There was no problem beyond processing, editing your stuff and handing in your invoice a polite second or two after the work was accepted.

Then I expanded into production (calendars) and the fun started to fade pdq. From shooting and forgetting, I took on responsibility for the work of others: separation houses and printers. You want bile in your throat? Stand in a factory beside a machine when it's turning out stuff that doesn't look like the stuff your client accepted. You want tears in your eyes? Be at the end of a telephone when your client tells you that the calendars that arrived in South Africa don't fit the envelopes that the printer sent with them. Had all of this. And that's where you are all heading in the brave new world of doing more than what you came in for: shooting pictures.

Unles you guys still active find a way back to being photographers, neither more nor less, apart from a tiny minority that loves both parts of the job, you have lost the fun for ever. I really do believe this to be true.

Rob C
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« Reply #330 on: March 16, 2010, 05:02:57 pm »

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Unles you guys still active find a way back to being photographers, neither more nor less, apart from a tiny minority that loves both parts of the job, you have lost the fun for ever. I really do believe this to be true.
spot-on ... I believe that is quite right!
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« Reply #331 on: March 16, 2010, 05:10:51 pm »

I think that the biggest problem with digital is that we will soon need an army of specialists and engineers in order to make all the machinery working properly. I've never spend so many time in front of a screen just to repair, recalibrate, reconecting, updating, relearning what was suposed to be learned etc...Digital is fantastic in a way, on the other hand, it just pump your time and energy, at least mine.
And the time to do real photography is less and less. More gears, more power, more specs (that we use 10%), more complexity, more everything and less shooting and time for the fun.
I think this guy who every 9 mouths was buying a film camera for the fun is right.

Fred.
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« Reply #332 on: March 16, 2010, 05:30:44 pm »

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........I've never spend so many time in front of a screen just to repair, recalibrate, reconecting, updating, relearning what was suposed to be learned etc...Digital is fantastic in a way, on the other hand, it just pump your time and energy, at least mine.......

Like in the film days: outsource the printmaking to a lab and don't do it yourself.
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« Reply #333 on: March 16, 2010, 05:48:58 pm »

to bring this thread back to the 645  

Concerning the article on LuLa about the Pentax: Bernard thanks for the write up and Michael thanks for putting it online.

Bernard you posed the question

You mentioned that the 645D is close to high end backs in terms of image quality. DR is an important and much debated factor these days. How do you feel the 645D fares DR-wise?

Your question implies that the pentax exec said more about IQ then what was published as his answer is about DR only. "Close to"....so in what terms does Pentax think it's close to the competition but not on par?
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« Reply #334 on: March 24, 2010, 08:31:40 am »

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I'd like to see:
• how easy for user to set up connection between computer and camera
• how many seconds later does image appear on computer display

Has anyone tried "N" speed Eye-Fi card in SD slot of Canon 1ds3?

Snip from http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/23/eye-fi-pro-...bably-want-one/
Pro X2 supports "Ad Hoc," meaning that if you are out somewhere without a real Wi-Fi network but only your laptop,
you can create an Ad Hoc Wi-Fi network on your laptop and have the pictures upload to your laptop without a router.
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« Reply #335 on: March 29, 2010, 01:30:24 pm »

Not to flog an old thread to death, but, as photorumors.com has reported, the 645D is available for pre-order by a retailer that exports japanese products to the USA for a cost of $10,348 USD.

http://www.japantrendshop.com/pentax-645d-p-833.html

While you're there, you might also want to pick-up a set of Star Wars Light Saber chopsticks:

http://www.japantrendshop.com/star-wars-li...icks-p-769.html

Talk about one stop shopping! ;-)


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« Reply #336 on: March 29, 2010, 02:27:29 pm »

Trendy!  And only a thousand dollars more than amazon.co.jp is asking.  I do want the light saber chopsticks though.

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« Reply #337 on: March 30, 2010, 12:06:11 pm »

Does anyone know if the 645D will or will not have some kind of live view and tethered operation? Is the statement that they might change out the CCD for a CMOS sensor just PR. How fast can Pentax produce a zoom that covers everything from 35mm to say 14mm into production and how much will it cost. I talked to Calumet about availability and all they came up with was it will be available in Europe and Japan. Seems to me with all these unanswered question 2011 might be a good time to look at this system.
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« Reply #339 on: May 18, 2010, 06:50:34 pm »

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1V58LsKtc...player_embedded

This is being shown at a show in Canada?

Thats an unusual move for a product thats not been sold outside of Japan  

If it performs as well as it looks then its going to be something special.
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