Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[Alan Klein]

The thing is I still don't know if you've been kidding or not. Do you believe that Canadians are being forcibly vaccinated?

no longer. I did from your post.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Note to TechTalk: there is no fun in discussion serious issues

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Do you believe that Canadians are being forcibly vaccinated?

Sure.

That's what fascism is capable of. Or doing things like this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/shock-troops-coming-200-heavily-armed-canadian-police-deployed-edmonton-church-harass-christians-video/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gatewaypundit&utm_content=later-16183972&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram

“The Shock Troops Are Coming!” – 200 Heavily-Armed Canadian Police Deployed to Edmonton Church

Note that the SCOTUS just ruled that the similarly commie/fascist California can not prevent church goers from coming to church. But in Canada, they can (prevent it).

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

American culture has been conquering the world for quite some time. The latest export? Wokeness.

In the north of Serbia, a city woke up (pardon the pun) to this, plastered all over the city:

"Anti-Waxers to Jail!"

[LesPalenik]

Note to TechTalk: there is no fun in discussion serious issues

I think I saw somewhere the same group posing as farmers but instead of the stethoscopes they were equipped with pitchforks.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

https://apple.news/AGMV7LZZFR4eOBriSS-VQEA

P.S. My daughter falls in that risk group and is in that window too (6-13 days)

[Alan Klein]

https://apple.news/AGMV7LZZFR4eOBriSS-VQEA

P.S. My daughter falls in that risk group and is in that window too (6-13 days)

It's very rare.  She'll be OK.

[Alan Klein]

A friedn gave me these statistics.  Why weren;t the number for 2020 400,000 higher?  Are those numbers correct?
 Maybe the number of deaths being only 57000 higher was because Covid prevented other deaths.  With people not going to work and isolating, maybe there were fewer accidents, falls, heart attacks, and other communicable diseases that would have killed people but were avoided.

It’s an interesting statistic.

Food for DEEP Thought...
... I found these numbers interesting. As reported by the CDC ...
 
Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
 
Year 2017:    2,818,503 Americans died 
 
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017) plus .007%
 
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018) plus .006%
 
The year of the pandemic ... 
 
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019) plus .019%

[Alan Klein]

From my last post, one can argue that just not moving around in business cause 400,000 - 57000= 343,000 fewer deaths.  That's a great argument to shut down the economy permanently and isolate and wear masks all the time.  We'd save 343,000 lives every year. 

[Alan Klein]

From my last post, one can argue that just not moving around in business cause 400,000 - 57000= 343,000 fewer deaths.  That's a great argument to shut down the economy permanently and isolate and wear masks all the time.  We'd save 343,000 lives every year. 

It proves that just living normally causes more death.  But then we all knew that already.  Didn't we?

[Robert Roaldi]

From my last post, one can argue that just not moving around in business cause 400,000 - 57000= 343,000 fewer deaths.  That's a great argument to shut down the economy permanently and isolate and wear masks all the time.  We'd save 343,000 lives every year.

It also possibly makes the case for shutting down all social media, eliminating the primary of stupidity in modern culture.

[Alan Klein]

It also possibly makes the case for shutting down all social media, eliminating the primary of stupidity in modern culture.

An unscientific response.  Please explain why the deaths in 2020 were not higher.

[Robert Roaldi]

...  Please explain why the deaths in 2020 were not higher.

No.

You raised the subject, not me.

[Alan Klein]

No.

You raised the subject, not me.

I already stated this in my first post about it:  "Maybe the number of deaths being only 57000 higher was because Covid prevented other deaths.  With people not going to work and isolating, maybe there were fewer accidents, falls, heart attacks, and other communicable diseases that would have killed people but were avoided."

I also said: "It proves that just living normally causes more death".

So if shutting down the economy and isolating saved 343,000 deaths from other causes, that's an argument to shut down the economy regardless of COvid, just to save all those lives.  But we already knew or should now understand that living normally does cause more deaths.  That's what Joe's been arguing all along.  Certainly, we could reduce deaths, but then we would have to stop living. 

I think it's a fascinating statistic that requires a lot of discussion.

[Alan Klein]

Slobodan's argued the same point.

[Robert Roaldi]

Sure.

That's what fascism is capable of. Or doing things like this:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/shock-troops-coming-200-heavily-armed-canadian-police-deployed-edmonton-church-harass-christians-video/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gatewaypundit&utm_content=later-16183972&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram

“The Shock Troops Are Coming!” – 200 Heavily-Armed Canadian Police Deployed to Edmonton Church

Note that the SCOTUS just ruled that the similarly commie/fascist California can not prevent church goers from coming to church. But in Canada, they can (prevent it).

You realize, don't you, that the photo of police in that article is a stock image and not what actually happened at the church. A simple google search will show the real picture. This is National Enquirer level reportage.

Why should church goers get a free pass during a public health emergency? You can listen to a preacher on Zoom or Youtube. Or TV. Or just pray in private.

The SCOTUS decision to place religious observance above public health reminds me a bit of Easter Island. I don't consider it something to be proud of. It's what I expect of the Taliban not a modern state.

Your frequent strident accusations of fascism sound a bit hollow, btw. Are you back on caffeine? I did warn you.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... I found these numbers interesting. As reported by the CDC ...
 
Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
 
Year 2017:    2,818,503 Americans died 
 
Year 2018:   2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017) plus .007%
 
Year 2019:   2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018) plus .006%
 
The year of the pandemic ... 
 
Year 2020:   2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019) plus .019%

If true, the numbers are indeed very interesting.

Primarily because they actually show a decrease in deaths year after year. How so? Because the population growth each year exceeded the increase in deaths:

[Robert Roaldi]

I already stated this in my first post about it:  "Maybe the number of deaths being only 57000 higher was because Covid prevented other deaths.  With people not going to work and isolating, maybe there were fewer accidents, falls, heart attacks, and other communicable diseases that would have killed people but were avoided."

I also said: "It proves that just living normally causes more death".

So if shutting down the economy and isolating saved 343,000 deaths from other causes, that's an argument to shut down the economy regardless of COvid, just to save all those lives.  But we already knew or should now understand that living normally does cause more deaths.  That's what Joe's been arguing all along.  Certainly, we could reduce deaths, but then we would have to stop living. 

I think it's a fascinating statistic that requires a lot of discussion.

And maybe somebody will. Be patient. I won't.

At first glance though, I don't understand why it would make you feel better if you had experienced the normal 300,000 odd deaths AS WELL AS the more than half million Covid ones.

[Alan Klein]

It appears the numbers I received were incorrect.  I did a little direct research and the CDC site shows much larger increases in deaths for 2020 that would cover the 400,000 (actually around377,000) and then some.  So it seems isolation did not appear to change much after all regarding other diseases.  I didn't check individual type of diseases changes only the sums.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20approximately%203%2C358%2C814%20deaths%20occurred%20in%20the%20United%20States,15.9%25%20from%20715.2%20in%202019.

[Alan Klein]

Sorry if I got everyone all excited.