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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2280 on: November 24, 2020, 04:01:21 pm »

Right-wing fanatics create false narratives around groups of people they have targeted as an essential component of their ideology.

False narratives!? 100s of millions of dead victims of Left's violence would beg to differ.

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« Reply #2281 on: November 24, 2020, 04:03:37 pm »

All Trump's fault.

I don't think anyone has said that the less than optimum response of the United States to the pandemic is all Trump's fault, but maybe I am mistaken.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2282 on: November 24, 2020, 04:04:02 pm »

About anti-social distancing:

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2283 on: November 24, 2020, 04:08:43 pm »

I don't think anyone has said it is all Trump's fault, but maybe I am mistaken.

Perhaps I should always put a sarcasm warning?

Trump is blamed for the numbers in the USA, while major European countries, who did everything the opposite of what is Trump blamed for (and supposedly everything "right") have worse numbers.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2284 on: November 24, 2020, 04:10:22 pm »

I don't think anyone has said that the less than optimum United States' response to the pandemic is all Trump's fault, but maybe I am mistaken.

Well, Bernard wants him jailed for precisely that.

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« Reply #2285 on: November 24, 2020, 04:11:41 pm »

All Trump's fault.

Note that the major European countries all have higher per capita death rate overall and in the last seven days than the good old USA. All countries that have had heavy lockdowns and mask mandates, btw.

Thank you for posting that table, Slobodan
The interesting thing is that the countries with highest number of deaths per capita (over 50 deaths/million) are small countries - Bosnia/Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Kosovo, Belgium, Czechia, Armenia, Slovenia. Italy is the only "large" country in that group.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2286 on: November 24, 2020, 04:15:39 pm »

Thank you for posting that table, Slobodan
The interesting thing is that the countries with highest number of deaths per capita (over 50 deaths/million) are small countries - Bosnia/Herzegovina, North Macedonia, Kosovo, Belgium, Czechia, Armenia, Slovenia. Italy is the only "large" country in that group.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion? How about the UK, France, and Spain!?

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« Reply #2287 on: November 24, 2020, 04:18:31 pm »

Well, Bernard wants him jailed for precisely that.

I do not remember Bernard saying that, but it would not surprise me if he did. It is the kind of thing one can easily imagine Bernard saying. Bernard's views about most things are not very credible.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2288 on: November 24, 2020, 04:23:44 pm »

Perhaps I should always put a sarcasm warning?

Sometimes it is hard to distinguish between sarcasm and sweeping generalizations.

Trump is blamed for the numbers in the USA, while major European countries, who did everything the opposite of what is Trump blamed for (and supposedly everything "right") have worse numbers.

Sarcasm or sweeping generalization?

Are you breaking rank with Mr. Whatabout and drawing conclusions "before the fat lady sings"? I have no problem with it, but he sure does. I think making interim judgments and adjustments along the way makes sense. I mean if you have shanked your driver off every tee on the front nine, you might want to try a three wood or long iron of the tee on the back nine . It may or may not help, but at least you won't continue to make the same mistake over and over again until you have finished your round. Not much you can do to improve your score then.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2289 on: November 24, 2020, 04:38:32 pm »

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion? How about the UK, France, and Spain!?

I said: small countries. With exception of Italy whose size would be similar to France, Spain, UK.
I posted it because a while ago someone said that only the large countries (USA, Brazil, Russia, India) are associated with high infection rates.
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« Reply #2290 on: November 24, 2020, 04:42:51 pm »

Janet Yellen earned a PhD in economics from Yale in 1971. The two supervisors of her PhD dissertation later went on to be separately awarded Nobel Prizes in economics in 1981 and 2001. She was described as one of their brightest and most memorable students. Her husband also won the Nobel Prize in economics. Her breadth and depth of knowledge in economics and macroeconomics would fill volumes.

On the other hand, your knowledge of economics would be unlikely to fill a single page and would contain the word printing at least a dozen times. You could fit it on the back of a cereal box with room leftover for a coupon.

Who would I listen to regarding economic policies? I'd have to go with Janet Yellen. I think she'll be an outstanding Secretary of the Treasury that would make Hamilton proud.
Quote: Hamilton "fought fiercely for his program of corporate welfare, protectionist tariffs, public debt, pervasive taxation, and a central bank run by politicians and their appointees out of the nation's capital."

Just what we got. Do you like those things?

 Additionally, Yellen is a Keynesian, the Nobel prize awarders are Keynesian and all Ameican universities, or most of them, teach Keynesian economics.  Print print print.  The dollar won't be worth the ink it's printed with soon.
https://mises.org/library/hamiltons-counterfeit-capitalism

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« Reply #2291 on: November 24, 2020, 04:45:32 pm »

Right-wing fanatics create false narratives around groups of people they have targeted as an essential component of their ideology.
It's the left that burns things down and riot.  It's the left that wants to shut down speech they disagree with.  It's rare to see the right do these things. 

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« Reply #2292 on: November 24, 2020, 04:48:26 pm »

It's the left that burns things down and riot.  It's the left that wants to shut down speech they disagree with.  It's rare to see the right do these things.

That's true. The right carry guns and shoot.
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« Reply #2293 on: November 24, 2020, 04:49:40 pm »

It's incredible that Covid noise still permeates the web. It's not as if there isn't credible knowledge out there all available for free. Here's one long podcast interview with a medical doctor with knowledge in the area, http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/nicholas-christakis-2.

It's very long, over two hours, but it's entertaining.

Just a snowflake warning to Trumpeteers and people who think Covid is just a flu that doesn't kill many people, DO NOT listen to this, it will only disturb you or make you apoplectic. He talks about vaccines and how they work and how they're developed, in the real world I mean. He talks about the nature of pandemics, what has happened in the past, you know, scientific knowledge type stuff. But he doesn't use big words. ;)

And Alan, just before you troll us again, we know that you don't trust experts and that experts always get it wrong, and oh yeah, we know that shutting down the economy is bad.

 
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« Reply #2294 on: November 24, 2020, 04:51:03 pm »

Alan, you are right, increased infection rates in Canada are not Trump's direct fault. However, the increase of patients with high blood pressure and heart attacks may be.
The Alberta high virus spread example I quoted is not directly attributable to Trump, but to the Alberta "free-spirit" attitude and to the premier of the province not mandating masks. 
Masks slow it down but don't stop the spread.  Plus, the spread escalates as soon as people start doing things together like eating out, parties, etc.  Just watch the rates next week after Thanksgiving ends.  "free spirit" or freedom does add to the spread.  But what's the solution to that?  Do we want to live in Communist China?

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« Reply #2295 on: November 24, 2020, 04:51:06 pm »

...all Ameican universities, or most of them, teach Keynesian economics.

Is that your experience?
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« Reply #2296 on: November 24, 2020, 04:53:41 pm »

All Trump's fault.

Note that the major European countries all have higher per capita death rate overall and in the last seven days than the good old USA. All countries that have had heavy lockdowns and mask mandates, btw.
Don't confuse people here with the facts.  It gets in the way of their mantra. 

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« Reply #2297 on: November 24, 2020, 04:57:51 pm »

Masks slow it down but don't stop the spread.  Plus, the spread escalates as soon as people start doing things together like eating out, parties, etc.  Just watch the rates next week after Thanksgiving ends.  "free spirit" or freedom does add to the spread.  But what's the solution to that?  Do we want to live in Communist China?

I don't equate avoiding large family gatherings this Thanksgiving with living in communist China. If you want to gather and have one last Thanksgiving with your aging grandparents, it may become a self-fulling prophecy.
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« Reply #2298 on: November 24, 2020, 05:05:29 pm »

It's the left that burns things down and riot.  It's the left that wants to shut down speech they disagree with.  It's rare to see the right do these things.

I know you're expecting the socialists hordes from hell with the new administration. But just in case you want to escape, Canada is worse, don't come here. Apparently our satirical sites are inferior, our GUVMINT-run health care is a world class disaster. And you know what else, we've been lying to you, there are death panels here run by government bureaucrats who only make doctor appointments for you if you pass a diversity test first. (Hint: Mexicans are not all rapists.) You are WAY better off trusting your health to private insurance companies, because as we all know, insurance companies are our friends. And of course you're far better off with armed militia in your state legislatures making sure the politicians do the right thing, because the most important thing is to prevent George III from returning and his infernal tea tax. Do you drink tea? In Canada you have to prove to people you're not insane before they let you buy a gun. How can insane people then "protect their families" if they're not armed?

No, Alan, Canada is not for you. No matter how bad Biden is, Canada is worse. And there's snow and cold too. What's even worse, our elections are run by a professional organization that allows ZERO interference from political parties or politicians. Can you believe that? What kind of a democracy is that. But by far the worst thing about Canada, our election campaigns only last a month or two and the handover to the new guys only takes a week or so. By the time you've warmed up your troll talking points, the whole thing is over. You couldn't take it, so don't move here, I'm saying this for your own good.

And don't listen to the Joe Rogan podcast about Covid that I posed above, definitely don't listen to that.

Have a nice evening. :)

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #2299 on: November 24, 2020, 05:06:19 pm »

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...If you want to gather and have one last Thanksgiving with your aging grandparents, it may become a self-fulling prophecy.

More panic porn ^^^

Here is the reality:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/99th-birthday-party-spurs-dozen-coronavirus-infections-among-relatives

One birthday celebration, 13 infected. Spoiler alert: they all recovered, including the 99-year old.
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