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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3080 on: April 28, 2020, 09:36:48 pm »

Alan, the downside of the American system is the cost of the hospital stay and the hospitals look at every visit as a revenue generating opportunity. For example, if your angiogram shows a 70% artery blockage, in Canada they tell you, it's not too critical yet, let's watch it and see. In USA they wheel you right away to the OR and give you a couple of stents or a triple bypass. And then they prescribe you Plavix for the rest of your life. This happens with privately owned medical facilities.

As to the C19 crisis, the infection rate and death counts in USA are almost 2.5 times higher than in Canada. So I wouldn't say that America shines in these areas.

The problem now is that the medical and dental associations went overboard and banned completely visits to the clinics and specialists without realizing all implications.
Well, once it warms up more in Canada, they''ll find more people died of Covid19 and lack of medical attention once they thaw out all the bodies.  :)

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« Reply #3081 on: April 28, 2020, 09:37:53 pm »

Were I in your situation (my sympathies)  I'd be running away from beef steak as fast as I could.  Despite the admittedly superb flavour.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3082 on: April 28, 2020, 09:38:15 pm »

Hilarious!

If you think that Trump's disastrous mgt of the crisis has no impact on me as a non American citizen, think again.

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How does it affect you?

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3083 on: April 28, 2020, 09:41:07 pm »

Were I in your situation (my sympathies)  I'd be running away from beef steak as fast as I could.  Despite the admittedly superb flavour.
Well, I do like sirloin or strip which is the least fatty.  Oh, I'm on statins so now my cholesterol is down to 140.  Oh, a touch of emphysema too.  This is why Covid 19 scares the heck out of me and why I'm hiding out in the house.   I'll leave herd immunization to others.  :)

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« Reply #3084 on: April 28, 2020, 09:43:50 pm »

Well, once it warms up more in Canada, they''ll find more people died of Covid19 and lack of medical attention once they thaw out all the bodies.  :)

Some say that the warmer weather will kill the virus and solve all problems. Hot and dry summer may also help the patients who will be waiting for their joint replacement.   ;)
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« Reply #3085 on: April 28, 2020, 09:54:44 pm »

 Sorry I made a joke about the matter.  But it is serious when you can't get help for a condition you have in good times or bad. I'm chewing without some of my teeth. And had a lot of pain with them from time to time.  Gosh, I hate getting old.   :'(

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« Reply #3086 on: April 28, 2020, 10:04:37 pm »

How does it affect you?

I am disappointed you couldn't figure this out yourself,  but...
- I have many friends in the US who are suffering more than they would need to
- the global economy is going to be impacted badly by the recession triggered by the longer than needed closure of the economy in the US, all the result of the late action by your President
- the pathetically low level of governance displayed is lowering the global standards and creating precedence
- Abe is strongly influenced by Trump and the pathetic governance displayed here was clearly impacted by the way Trump is acting
- his attitude towards science has a global negative impact that contributes to loosing years of progress in the mentalities of people
- I expect the current US crisis to have side effects that are hard to predict but will be influenced negatively by Trump. It's only going to reinforce his urge to bully the world since he will be in an even worse economic situation with more debt, etc...
- I am just saddened and emotionally affected by the degree of manipulation, lie and dillusion at play. It just hurts my honesty and sense of right and wrong
- ...

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #3087 on: April 28, 2020, 11:09:08 pm »

Trump Plans to Declare Meat Supply ‘Critical,’ Aiming to Reopen Plants

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Tuesday that he would declare meat processing plants “critical infrastructure” to ensure that facilities around the country remained open as the government tried to prevent looming shortages of pork, chicken and other products as a result of the coronavirus.

The action comes as meat plants around the country have turned into coronavirus hot spots, sickening thousands of workers, and after the head of Tyson Foods, one of the country’s largest processors, warned that millions of pounds of meat would simply disappear from the supply chain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/business/economy/trump-meat-food-supply.html

Well, there goes the union vote.

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« Reply #3088 on: April 28, 2020, 11:21:38 pm »

Trump Plans to Declare Meat Supply ‘Critical,’ Aiming to Reopen Plants

He may want to reopen those plants, but if the employees are ill, good luck. Much harder than to build a Mexico wall.

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A beef production plant in Green Bay, Wisconsin, is the latest to shut down because of infections among employees. JBS USA said the JBS Packerland plant, which employs 1,200, would be closed temporarily. As of Monday, 255 employees at the plant tested positive for COVID-19.

COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, has infected hundreds of workers at meat-processing plants and forced some of the largest to close and others to slow production.
The United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, which represents 1.3 million food and retail workers, said last week that 13 U.S. food-processing and meatpacking union workers in the U.S. have died and that an estimated 5,000 are sick or have been exposed to the virus while working near someone who tested positive.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/virus-expected-reduce-meat-selection-raise-prices-70366469
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« Reply #3089 on: April 28, 2020, 11:23:25 pm »

I am disappointed you couldn't figure this out yourself,  but...
- I have many friends in the US who are suffering more than they would need to
- the global economy is going to be impacted badly by the recession triggered by the longer than needed closure of the economy in the US, all the result of the late action by your President
- the pathetically low level of governance displayed is lowering the global standards and creating precedence
- Abe is strongly influenced by Trump and the pathetic governance displayed here was clearly impacted by the way Trump is acting
- his attitude towards science has a global negative impact that contributes to loosing years of progress in the mentalities of people
- I expect the current US crisis to have side effects that are hard to predict but will be influenced negatively by Trump. It's only going to reinforce his urge to bully the world since he will be in an even worse economic situation with more debt, etc...
- I am just saddened and emotionally affected by the degree of manipulation, lie and dillusion at play. It just hurts my honesty and sense of right and wrong
- ...

Cheers,
Bernard

Trump's better than Biden.

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« Reply #3090 on: April 28, 2020, 11:31:07 pm »

He may want to reopen those plants, but if the employees are ill, good luck. Much harder than to build a Mexico wall.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/virus-expected-reduce-meat-selection-raise-prices-70366469
He will direct the plant to keep the sick employees home until they are better.  The plant will have to check all employees before they come into the plant daily to verify they're not sick.  The federal government will provide testing equipment that the plant will have to pay for.  As long as the employees are not sick, they can work.  They will receive a full paycheck rather than being unemployed something they will appreciate.  Trump will benefit by that. He will not lose the union but gain them.

When you look things negatively, negative things will happen and we will have a dead economy for the rest of the year.  However, if you think positive, that you want to solve problems rather than just be anti-Trump, than arriving at solutions, many of them simple, is possible.  Keep a positive attitude for today and tomorrow will work out. 

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« Reply #3091 on: April 28, 2020, 11:47:32 pm »

He will direct the plant to keep the sick employees home until they are better.  The plant will have to check all employees before they come into the plant daily to verify they're not sick.  The federal government will provide testing equipment that the plant will have to pay for.  As long as the employees are not sick, they can work.  They will receive a full paycheck rather than being unemployed something they will appreciate.  Trump will benefit by that. He will not lose the union but gain them.

When you look things negatively, negative things will happen and we will have a dead economy for the rest of the year.  However, if you think positive, that you want to solve problems rather than just be anti-Trump, than arriving at solutions, many of them simple, is possible.  Keep a positive attitude for today and tomorrow will work out.

A positive spin would be an ad "Fresh beef from a Covid-19 positive slaughterhouse".
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« Reply #3092 on: April 28, 2020, 11:54:14 pm »

A positive spin would be an ad "Fresh beef from a Covid-19 positive slaughterhouse".
Well as long as one of the employees doesn't get his thumb chopped off and added to the chop meat batch, it should be OK.  :)

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« Reply #3093 on: April 29, 2020, 12:04:02 am »

Here's a picture of flight traffic at midnight tonight Eastern Daylight Time.  80% of the planes are cargo - FedEx UPS etc.  Usually there are hundreds in this area.  There are practically none over New Jersey except those on the ground at Newark.  You can also see Philadelphia's airport and Kennedy.  But few planes in the air.  It's simply amazing.  Airplanes to Europe is just a few going east when there are usually 100's at this time at night.

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« Reply #3094 on: April 29, 2020, 12:14:39 am »

TO show how devoid, here's what it looks like right now over NYC.  The things with the yellow line is a NYPD helicopter buzzing around.  That's about it.  The other plane is just a little Cessna 172 going nowhere from nowhere.  The airport on the left is Newark in NJ and the one on the right in busy Kennedy.  Well, it's not exactly busy.  There's nothing going on a LaGuardia.  Dead.

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« Reply #3095 on: April 29, 2020, 12:57:50 am »

So now Joe Biden is accused of "pu$$y grabbing".  This is getting more interesting all the time.  Of course the anti-Trump media will bury it to protect Joe.  What a bunch of phonies.  On the other hand, this may be the stuff they need to cancel the primaries like in NY and just vote their Democrat nominee for president in secret. Joe might get thrown under the bus. They really should wait until he finishes his nap.

A New Account Bolsters Tara Reade’s Allegation Against Joe Biden
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/04/joe-biden-tara-reade-business-insider/

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« Reply #3096 on: April 29, 2020, 01:17:55 am »

Trump's better than Biden.

That's very very unlikely to be true.

I really looked hard and deep into this, watched hundreds of videos, read a lot about Trump.

And the only possible conclusion is that he is really an idiot with a huge ego who managed to escape upwards from his previous failures through intimidation.

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« Reply #3097 on: April 29, 2020, 05:02:56 am »

Looks like they're starting right after my May 4th estimate, on May 7th, although Greece is starting some of theirs MAy 4th, my estimated date I gave a few weeks ago.
In Greece, prime minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said in a televised address that restrictions on movement in towns and cities will be lifted from May 4

On the other hand, Portugal is starting a day before my date on May 3.
In neighbouring Portugal, president Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa announced the country’s state of emergency would end on May 3.
https://www.ft.com/content/c03f61a9-2d16-47cc-8289-0c732a782dda

In Portugal, a state of emergency can only be declared by the president, and lasts for 2 weeks. It will be replaced by the government declaring a state of calamity from May 3, which does not require presidential intervention, and can last indefinitely.

The type of measures in place will remain similar to the ones we have now, except:

1. Some small businesses and shops can reopen;
2. Some factories can reopen;
3. Some restaurants can reopen;
4. The above need to measure temperature of employees and clients. They need to work in shifts, with a reduced number of workers. Masks are mandatory in public transports (which work with a 1/3 capacity)and enclosed spaces.

Results will be analysed May 18. If ok, other segments will reopen, including some schools. Masks to be mandatory in schools.

Results will be analysed 1 June. If ok, more segments will reopen.

This is a phased plan, hinging on R0 values and NHS capacity. What is clear is that the success depends on the behaviour of each individual. Until a vaccine and/or tretament exists, there is no back to normal.

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« Reply #3098 on: April 29, 2020, 05:06:22 am »

These three are currently topping the daily death chart.

(And Pence has just done a Boris.)

Brasil will be a nightmare - they test very little (Portugal tests more), and the government has no control on the situation, amidst a political debacle.

USA and UK started late, but at least they corrected their strategy along the way.

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« Reply #3099 on: April 29, 2020, 07:06:49 am »

Hilarious!

If you think that Trump's disastrous mgt of the crisis has no impact on me as a non American citizen, think again.

Cheers,
Bernard

As I said Bernard, he is the only leader in the world that you, without being questioned on, come on here to critique and you're not even an American.  You are obsessed with him, just face it. 

You have stage 4 TDS.  Thankfully for you it is not terminal, that we know of.
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