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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7520 on: October 10, 2020, 11:37:05 am »

Breaking news, FDA bureaucracy holds up another miracle cure https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/520452-trump-sparks-new-fda-concerns-with-praise-of-miracle-covid-treatment.

We could save some time by just copy/pasting forum postings from earlier this year. :)

I think I read that the CEO of Regeneron is one of Trump's golfing partners.

I have been thinking about it a lot, and I think the real reason Trump recovered so quickly, assuming he has recovered, and that he had it in the first place, is Jello. They always serve you Jello in the hospital.  Maybe Trump could get an emergency authorization from the FDA for Jello. I'm not sure you can still buy it at the grocery store. He could use the the Defense Production Act to compel one of the food companies to make it. I'm pretty sure the scientists over at the CDC will quibble about which flavor is the most effective, so we need to get on this right away. Of course, they are going to have to get a new spokesman for Jello. Bill Cosby is sort of out of favor these days.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7521 on: October 10, 2020, 11:50:37 am »

I said there were mask shortages.  So use something else. There are shortages in war.  Manufacturers can only make so many.  We're waiting for  Congress to fund more manufacturing. 

In the meanwhile Europe doesn't have enough ICU beds as America does, a more serious problem.

As I recall there were many temporary hospitals setup in major outbreak areas as well as freezer trucks as morgues. I also believe there are some stadiums being converted to hospitals in some states as we speak.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7522 on: October 10, 2020, 11:50:53 am »

Hey, Trumpies: Can you provide us with a valid reason that The White House steadfastly refuses to release time and date information on when Trump was last tested negative and first tested positive?

Isn’t this vitally important information for The American People?


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« Reply #7523 on: October 10, 2020, 12:01:45 pm »

Hey, Trumpies: Can you provide us with a valid reason that The White House steadfastly refuses to release time and date information on when Trump was last tested negative and first tested positive?

Isn’t this vitally important information for The American People?

Not really. Besides, who would trust that they were telling the truth?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7524 on: October 10, 2020, 12:08:17 pm »

faberryman: Time/Date info not important for contact tracking?
Or were you being sarcastic?
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« Reply #7525 on: October 10, 2020, 12:39:25 pm »

faberryman: Time/Date info not important for contact tracking?
Or were you being sarcastic?

Yes, I was being sarcastic, but only sort of. They are not doing any contract tracing. Why would they? They don't want to disclose how many people Trump exposed to COVID with his reckless behavior.  And if you come out with a date, you are going to have to get a whole lot on people on board. If you say Monday, sure as shootin' one guy will be left out of the loop, and he'll say Tuesday. Besides, it's just easier to blame the Gold Star families. What a bunch of suckers and losers.
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« Reply #7526 on: October 10, 2020, 01:13:41 pm »

faberryman: Thanks for clarifying.

Still awaiting a response from <insert usual suspects here> on why the WH refuses to release what is obviously very important information.
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« Reply #7527 on: October 10, 2020, 01:32:33 pm »

faberryman: Thanks for clarifying.

Still awaiting a response from <insert usual suspects here> on why the WH refuses to release what is obviously very important information.

It has something to do with strategery, to use a phrase Dubya made popular.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7528 on: October 10, 2020, 02:27:24 pm »

How Tea Party Budget Battles Left the National Emergency Medical Stockpile Unprepared for Coronavirus

"Fiscal restraints imposed by Republicans in Congress in the early years of the Obama administration left the U.S. less prepared to respond to the coronavirus pandemic today."

https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus

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Dire shortages of vital medical equipment in the Strategic National Stockpile that are now hampering the coronavirus response trace back to the budget wars of the Obama years, when congressional Republicans elected on the Tea Party wave forced the White House to accept sweeping cuts to federal spending.

Among the victims of those partisan fights was the effort to keep adequate supplies of masks, ventilators, pharmaceuticals and other medical equipment on hand to respond to a public health crisis. Lawmakers in both parties raised the specter of shortchanging future disaster response even as they voted to approve the cuts.

There were, in fact, warnings at the time: A 2010 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention-funded report by the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials urged the federal government to treat public health preparedness “on par with federal and state funding for other national security response capabilities,” and said that its store of N95 masks should be “replenished for future events.”

After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 report published by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

“We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

The sequestration and strict budget caps ended with budget deals in 2018 and 2019 — a bipartisan rebuke to the earlier restraints. “It’s a burden off our shoulders,” Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told reporters at the time. “In a troubled world, I think that was the wrong message.”

Yet non-defense spending still hasn’t fully recovered.

“One of the things that happened to public health preparedness was just the result of the general budget stringency we had,” said David Reich, a consultant working on federal appropriations issues for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “We’re still seeing the results of that.”

During the Trump administration, the White House has consistently proposed cutting the CDC and the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, which took over stockpile management from the CDC. Congress approved more stockpile funding than Trump’s budget requested in every year of his administration, for a combined $1.93 billion instead of $1.77 billion, according to budget documents.

The White House budget request for 2021, delivered in February as officials were already warning about the dangerous new coronavirus, proposed holding the stockpile’s funding flat at $705 million and cutting resources for the office that oversees it.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7529 on: October 10, 2020, 03:03:07 pm »

"dangerously incompetent"
New England Journal of Medicine.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7530 on: October 10, 2020, 04:50:19 pm »

The Hill - September 21, 2020 Government watchdog finds supply shortages are harming US coronavirus response

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/government-watchdog-finds-supply-shortages-are-harming-us-coronavirus

Shortages of supplies and equipment are harming the U.S.'s COVID-19 response almost six months into the pandemic, a government watchdog said in a report issued Monday.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) found that states are still facing shortages of protective equipment and testing supplies because of high global demand and the limited production of those items within the U.S, despite “numerous, significant efforts” taken by the federal government.
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7531 on: October 10, 2020, 04:53:18 pm »

How Tea Party Budget Battles Left the National Emergency Medical Stockpile Unprepared for Coronavirus

"Fiscal restraints imposed by Republicans in Congress in the early years of the Obama administration left the U.S. less prepared to respond to the coronavirus pandemic today."

https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus

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Dire shortages of vital medical equipment in the Strategic National Stockpile that are now hampering the coronavirus response trace back to the budget wars of the Obama years, when congressional Republicans elected on the Tea Party wave forced the White House to accept sweeping cuts to federal spending.

Among the victims of those partisan fights was the effort to keep adequate supplies of masks, ventilators, pharmaceuticals and other medical equipment on hand to respond to a public health crisis. Lawmakers in both parties raised the specter of shortchanging future disaster response even as they voted to approve the cuts.

There were, in fact, warnings at the time: A 2010 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention-funded report by the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials urged the federal government to treat public health preparedness “on par with federal and state funding for other national security response capabilities,” and said that its store of N95 masks should be “replenished for future events.”

After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 report published by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

“We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

The sequestration and strict budget caps ended with budget deals in 2018 and 2019 — a bipartisan rebuke to the earlier restraints. “It’s a burden off our shoulders,” Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told reporters at the time. “In a troubled world, I think that was the wrong message.”

Yet non-defense spending still hasn’t fully recovered.

“One of the things that happened to public health preparedness was just the result of the general budget stringency we had,” said David Reich, a consultant working on federal appropriations issues for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “We’re still seeing the results of that.”

During the Trump administration, the White House has consistently proposed cutting the CDC and the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, which took over stockpile management from the CDC. Congress approved more stockpile funding than Trump’s budget requested in every year of his administration, for a combined $1.93 billion instead of $1.77 billion, according to budget documents.

The White House budget request for 2021, delivered in February as officials were already warning about the dangerous new coronavirus, proposed holding the stockpile’s funding flat at $705 million and cutting resources for the office that oversees it.

This is a deliberate strategy.

These are people who have convinced themselves that we don't need government, because they read a book or something. But there is no way to convince the public to get rid of public sector services, too big a sell. So the strategy is to convince everyone that taxes are too high, whether or not they actually are. People are voted in who reduce taxes (or seem to), and this works for a while, at least people's pay cheques seem bigger. But with less money in the coffers, the government has to shed a lot of services it used to supply, non obvious stuff at first, so no one notices, like mask stockpiles because just in time inventory works well for hospitals, all the highly paid consultants said so. People feel better because government is smaller and taxes are lower. Yippee. There are always people who raise their hands and meekly say, wait, maybe there was a reason that things evolved the way they did, but they're drowned out because they "socialists", even though they aren't. Then something happens where you could use the functions of a government body, pandemic, cross-state environmental issue, etc., but the departments that handled that are gone.

Geez, I hope that Trump didn't get rid of those scientists in the Dept of Energy who look after nuclear stockpiles and nuclear waste. I'd hate to leave the management of that stuff up to local town hall authorities or state governors.

Same old, same old. People only plan as far as the next pay cheque. Politicians plant as far as the next election. But power plants require 60 year planning horizons. Environmental safeguards have even longer time horizons. This was always a problem, but with social media reducing all discussions to short shrill sound bites, you run out of masks.
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« Reply #7532 on: October 10, 2020, 07:30:00 pm »

STILL WAITING, Alan or <insert usual suspects here>

Can you provide us with a valid reason that The White House steadfastly refuses to release time and date information on when Trump was last tested negative and first tested positive?

Isn’t this vitally important information for The American People?

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« Reply #7533 on: October 10, 2020, 07:40:26 pm »

STILL WAITING, Alan or <insert usual suspects here>

Can you provide us with a valid reason that The White House steadfastly refuses to release time and date information on when Trump was last tested negative and first tested positive?

Isn’t this vitally important information for The American People?


I'd like to know when Trump is free of it so he can continue with the debates and his presidency.  Now, will you tell us why doesn't Biden tell us if he's going to pack the Supreme Court?

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« Reply #7534 on: October 10, 2020, 10:25:07 pm »

I'd like to know when Trump is free of it so he can continue with the debates and his presidency.  Now, will you tell us why doesn't Biden tell us if he's going to pack the Supreme Court?

This is the 2nd or 3rd time that you have tried the deflection to Biden trying to stack the Supreme Court. I presume that since the US is in a period when Trump is trying to do exactly that himself, then why bring this up in this manner? Is there a Trump Troll Suggestion site that recently recommended using this in social media this week?
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Re: PLAYPEN: Covid-19 Everything Political
« Reply #7535 on: October 10, 2020, 11:03:24 pm »

STILL WAITING, Alan or <insert usual suspects here>

Can you provide us with a valid reason that The White House steadfastly refuses to release time and date information on when Trump was last tested negative and first tested positive?

Isn’t this vitally important information for The American People?

Right after Biden decides the American voter has a right to know what he thinks about packing the courts.
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« Reply #7536 on: October 10, 2020, 11:04:52 pm »

This is the 2nd or 3rd time that you have tried the deflection to Biden trying to stack the Supreme Court. I presume that since the US is in a period when Trump is trying to do exactly that himself, then why bring this up in this manner? Is there a Trump Troll Suggestion site that recently recommended using this in social media this week?

Trump is trying to pack the SCOTUS?  Are you daft or what?
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« Reply #7537 on: October 10, 2020, 11:09:42 pm »

How Tea Party Budget Battles Left the National Emergency Medical Stockpile Unprepared for Coronavirus

"Fiscal restraints imposed by Republicans in Congress in the early years of the Obama administration left the U.S. less prepared to respond to the coronavirus pandemic today."

https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus

Article Excerpts

Dire shortages of vital medical equipment in the Strategic National Stockpile that are now hampering the coronavirus response trace back to the budget wars of the Obama years, when congressional Republicans elected on the Tea Party wave forced the White House to accept sweeping cuts to federal spending.

Among the victims of those partisan fights was the effort to keep adequate supplies of masks, ventilators, pharmaceuticals and other medical equipment on hand to respond to a public health crisis. Lawmakers in both parties raised the specter of shortchanging future disaster response even as they voted to approve the cuts.

There were, in fact, warnings at the time: A 2010 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention-funded report by the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials urged the federal government to treat public health preparedness “on par with federal and state funding for other national security response capabilities,” and said that its store of N95 masks should be “replenished for future events.”

After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 report published by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine.

“We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.”

Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare.

The sequestration and strict budget caps ended with budget deals in 2018 and 2019 — a bipartisan rebuke to the earlier restraints. “It’s a burden off our shoulders,” Senate Appropriations Chairman Richard Shelby, R-Ala., told reporters at the time. “In a troubled world, I think that was the wrong message.”

Yet non-defense spending still hasn’t fully recovered.

“One of the things that happened to public health preparedness was just the result of the general budget stringency we had,” said David Reich, a consultant working on federal appropriations issues for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. “We’re still seeing the results of that.”

During the Trump administration, the White House has consistently proposed cutting the CDC and the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, which took over stockpile management from the CDC. Congress approved more stockpile funding than Trump’s budget requested in every year of his administration, for a combined $1.93 billion instead of $1.77 billion, according to budget documents.

The White House budget request for 2021, delivered in February as officials were already warning about the dangerous new coronavirus, proposed holding the stockpile’s funding flat at $705 million and cutting resources for the office that oversees it.

Funny, Barack Obama signed the Budget Control Act  into law, setting up this situation.  Amazing.  Those cunning Tea Party types....
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« Reply #7538 on: October 10, 2020, 11:16:55 pm »

I'd like to know when Trump is free of it so he can continue with the debates and his presidency.  Now, will you tell us why doesn't Biden tell us if he's going to pack the Supreme Court?

No, I won't. Not yet, at least. You didn't answer my question, which was "why are they withholding this information?".  You just stated that you'd like to know, too.
This information is vital to those who were close to Trump.  And to those who were close to THOSE people. 

The "SC packing issue" is politics.  The Trump/COVID timing issue concerns possible survival for those involved.  There may be many.

If you answer my question, I'll answer yours.  The best I can, in any case.

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« Reply #7539 on: October 11, 2020, 05:16:37 am »

Right after Biden decides the American voter has a right to know what he thinks about packing the courts.

Guessing that ‘packing’ in this instance means ‘increasing the size‘ of SCOTUS.

Why wouldn’t Biden or any other Prezzy want to increase the number of judges ?
The supreme court is the highest law of the land, apolitical*, not the political wing of a President so clearly gaming the system. Take a leaf out of the British Supreme Court:

> 11 judges appointed from within the judiciary
> tenure, age limited with retirement at 75

So again, why wouldn’t you ?

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