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Alan Goldhammer

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« Reply #880 on: November 03, 2019, 11:10:10 am »

Fracking also produces natural gas in huge amounts.  While not directly related to ME oil, it's a major fuel used in heating especially.  I use gas and there's no smell like oil burning furnaces.  It's also cheaper than oil for the same Btu's.  No trucks have to deliver it.  Cleaner than oil. Also, when you use more natural gas, you're less dependent on foreign oil as well and it lowers oil prices since it's a competitor to oil.  Trump is a heavy supporter of fracking but I don't know how much that will affect the upcoming election.
It also destroyed the coal mining industry but our President refuses to acknowledge this and is trying to prop the industry up by weakening environmental regulations.
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« Reply #881 on: November 03, 2019, 11:22:16 am »

Do you think he ate his steaks too? :)

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« Reply #882 on: November 03, 2019, 11:43:39 am »

It did not escape my notice that there was a major leak on the Canadian side of the Keystone pipeline and a large amount of oil was spilled.  Stuff happens.

That's incorrect.  The spill was entirely in ND.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6104304/keystone-north-dakota-spill/

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« Reply #883 on: November 03, 2019, 11:43:53 am »

Fracking also produces natural gas in huge amounts.  While not directly related to ME oil, it's a major fuel used in heating especially.  I use gas and there's no smell like oil burning furnaces.  It's also cheaper than oil for the same Btu's.  No trucks have to deliver it.  Cleaner than oil. Also, when you use more natural gas, you're less dependent on foreign oil as well and it lowers oil prices since it's a competitor to oil.  Trump is a heavy supporter of fracking but I don't know how much that will affect the upcoming election.

Hi Alan,

I wondered how long it would take you to come back. Beats watching the football.
Anyway, the fracking is not all roses. In UK, the fracking has been recently banned because of the danger of earthquakes. No wonder, if you shake something or somebody, violent reactions can follow. Including gas release.

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he had "very considerable anxieties" about fracking, which is a controversial method of extracting shale gas. The government has withdrawn support and said it will block further proposals to change the planning process for fracking sites.

https://news.sky.com/story/fracking-banned-in-uk-after-earthquake-fears-11851577


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« Reply #884 on: November 03, 2019, 11:51:41 am »

Trump is president because the other choice was Hillary.  Very relevant.
Kent in SD

The topic is (ostensibly) about impeaching Trump, not about why he was elected.  It's quite apparent why he was elected. That was then. This is now.

People keep claiming that this "coup" is an attempt at an end run around democracy.  In fact, it appears to be an attempt to implement the American constitutional provisions and to correct an obvious mistake.
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« Reply #885 on: November 03, 2019, 11:52:59 am »

That's incorrect.  The spill was entirely in ND.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6104304/keystone-north-dakota-spill/

True, but there have been plenty of other spills on the Candian side of the border.
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« Reply #886 on: November 03, 2019, 11:55:56 am »

It also destroyed the coal mining industry but our President refuses to acknowledge this and is trying to prop the industry up by weakening environmental regulations.
Gas was hurting the coal industry long before fracking came along.  Coal miners were looking for support from politicians who were just ignoring them.  So he gave them hope, just like Obama gave his supporters hope when he ran.  While Trump couldn;t reverse the trend, he still helped the coal industry where he could.  That's better than the Democrats would have done.  Who would you vote for if you lived in a coal mining town?  The fact is Trump got millions of crossover votes from traditional working class Democrats.  They see him a one of them, not some guy living up in the clouds despite the fact he's a billionaire.  He worked hard, took a lot of crap, still does, and knows how to give it back.  Coal miners identify with people like that, not with the Hillarys or Warrens or Buttigiegs. 

Biden is a better match for them, but I don't think he's going to win the nomination.  As long as the Democrats focus on impeachment, the more they put a target on Biden's back as being just another insider who used his position to get his son a job.  Trump can get away with that because that's who he is.  But Biden claims to be different when he isn't.

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« Reply #887 on: November 03, 2019, 11:58:30 am »

True, but there have been plenty of other spills on the Candian side of the border.
Canada isn't going to shut down their fossil fuel industry.  It's too valuable.  Environmentalists are stuck between a rock and a hard spot.  Hillary tried that here and lost the election because she didn't care about the industry workers.  Future politicians will make that mistake again at their peril.   

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« Reply #888 on: November 03, 2019, 12:02:43 pm »

Canada isn't going to shut down their fossil fuel industry.  It's too valuable.  Environmentalists are stuck between a rock and a hard spot.  Hillary tried that here and lost the election because she didn't care about the industry workers.  Future politicians will make that mistake again at their peril.

A lot of Canada's fossil fuel industry is shutting itself down because it's not competitive. Same with coal. Trump can wear a funny hat and pretend to drive a tractor all he wants, and maybe people will be fooled for a little while, but in the long run those miners will be out of work just the same.
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« Reply #889 on: November 03, 2019, 12:13:56 pm »

The topic is (ostensibly) about impeaching Trump, not about why he was elected.  It's quite apparent why he was elected. That was then. This is now.

People keep claiming that this "coup" is an attempt at an end run around democracy.  In fact, it appears to be an attempt to implement the American constitutional provisions and to correct an obvious mistake.
It is a palace coup.  It's not an "obvious mistake" when almost half the population don't want an impeachment.  Impeachment is serious business.  Only 3 or 4 presidents have in over 200 years have been impeached and none were found guilty in a Senate trial and lost their office.  It's not like in a parliamentary system, when they call for an election regularly because they no longer like the PM or his policies.  Like what's happening in Great Britain now.  Americans don't go for that.  We have a different system, maybe one you're not familiar with.  Americans want their presidents to serve out their 4 year term.  Even presidents they didn't vote for.  Then you have another chance to vote them in or out of office.  During an election, not some politically contrived "mistake" that isn't treason, bribery, or high crimes and misdemeanors.  Impeachment takes the focus off of governing.  And remember,  what comes around goes around. One day there will be a Democrat president and a Republican Congress.  I don;t think Americans want to go through this again, but they will if the Democrats continue with this nonsense.   They been trying to impeach for three years.  All previous reasons have disappeared because there was no real crime.  So now, suddenly, they found Ukraine just three weeks ago.  The Democrats are just looking for an excuse.  People smell a rat. 

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« Reply #890 on: November 03, 2019, 12:17:55 pm »

A lot of Canada's fossil fuel industry is shutting itself down because it's not competitive. Same with coal. Trump can wear a funny hat and pretend to drive a tractor all he wants, and maybe people will be fooled for a little while, but in the long run those miners will be out of work just the same.
I never said their industry was not in trouble.  What I said is only Trump cares about those people and tries to help.  When you're down and out, and know things probably won't get better, it's still nice to know that someone is trying to help.  That means a lot to people.

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« Reply #891 on: November 03, 2019, 12:19:17 pm »

But you keep saying what you're saying.   Because the Democrats won;t get back those votes because you do keep saying it.  It shows you really don't care about these people.  Or do you?

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« Reply #892 on: November 03, 2019, 12:20:20 pm »

I never said their industry was not in trouble.  What I said is only Trump cares about those people and tries to help.  When you're down and out, and know things probably won't get better, it's still nice to know that someone is trying to help.  That means a lot to people.

Really?  So you are in favour of government intervention to support unprofitable industries?
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« Reply #893 on: November 03, 2019, 12:21:43 pm »

But you keep saying what you're saying.   Because the Democrats won;t get back those votes because you do keep saying it.  It shows you really don't care about these people.  Or do you?

Anyone got a clue what Alan's talking about?
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« Reply #894 on: November 03, 2019, 12:24:33 pm »

Your memory is fading, jeremyrh.  Alan isn't in favour of government taking sides with industry, remember?  They shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers.

He maintains that "all markets are free", IIRC
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« Reply #895 on: November 03, 2019, 12:26:00 pm »

Anyone got a clue what Alan's talking about?

Nope.
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« Reply #896 on: November 03, 2019, 12:26:58 pm »

Anyone got a clue what Alan's talking about?
No. It was better when he was getting a life.
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« Reply #897 on: November 03, 2019, 12:27:51 pm »

Really?  So you are in favour of government intervention to support unprofitable industries?
First off, coal is profitable.  It's cheaper than many other fuels.   However, the previous government has intervened by making it harder for coal to compete even though 30% of our electricity is made with coal.  So Trump has reversed some government regulations that Obama imposed unilaterally.  It's not subsidizing coal as far as I know otherwise.    I don;t believe in subsidies.

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« Reply #898 on: November 03, 2019, 12:28:35 pm »

It is a palace coup.  not some politically contrived "mistake" that isn't treason, bribery, or high crimes and misdemeanors.

So, Trump's phone call to Ukraine is none of those?  You approve of what he (apparently) did?
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« Reply #899 on: November 03, 2019, 12:30:55 pm »

Nope.
Bart, I don't expect you to know. You're not American.  Neither are the others complaining.   Those that are, hate Trump so much they can't see the forest through the trees.  Keep hating coal miners.  Trump needs the votes. 
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