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Equipment & Techniques => Digital Cameras & Shooting Techniques => Topic started by: mr purdy on February 07, 2012, 03:16:02 pm
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This is the first camera which has made me think about using it instead of my Canons.
Mainly because the focus is better than the weak 9-point system in the 5D2. And now finally Nikon has something high resolution is a sub-$8k camera ;-)
http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/0207_dslr_01.htm
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I'm hoping Canon gets their act together with a sensor that is the equal of this one!
Marc
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I agree it does look good. Makes me glad that I made a decision to upgrade my lenses and not my cameras a few years back. I will wait to see how much is resolution rather than extra data. Initial images released look good. Fits my shooting style better then the D4 and is a lot cheaper. I am in no rush to buy so I can let the upgrade crazies do some research for me in the real world.
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These are only jpegs, but a few of them are pretty stunning.
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/sample01.htm
This one in particular looks great IMO:
http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/img/sample01/img_07_l.jpg
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Does anyone know if there are any recent articles comparing the Nikon D800 and D800e?
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The D800 seems like a croppers wet dream with respect to the 36 MP sensor?
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The D800 seems like a croppers wet dream with respect to the 36 MP sensor?
Yes. And also there are benefits that accrue if you use the full frame, keeping the pixel dimensions the same (7360 x 4912) and instead of making a 20.444 x 13.644 inch print @ 360 dpi, making a smaller print.
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Hi,
Canon will respond to the D800/D800E in their own way. Rumor is 3/3 2012 right now.
The 5DII had little competition for long, and Canon probably didn't upgrade it in order of avoiding cannibalization of their 1DsIII business. Now the rules have changed, with the 5DII looking old.
But Canon will not be a D800 copy, it will be some kind of amalgam of existing Canon technologies.
My guess is: better AF, better sealing but no great improvement in DR at low ISO.
By the way, pricing on the Nikon is quite aggressive, may cause competition some sleepless nights.
Best regards
Erik
This is the first camera which has made me think about using it instead of my Canons.
Mainly because the focus is better than the weak 9-point system in the 5D2. And now finally Nikon has something high resolution is a sub-$8k camera ;-)
http://www.nikon.com/news/2012/0207_dslr_01.htm
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I have a feeling the quality of the photo will still come down to the user.....
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By the way, pricing on the Nikon is quite aggressive, may cause competition some sleepless nights.
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Yes, that's right. I've seen the D800 advertised for CHF 2680 (VAT included) which translates roughly to $2975 or € 2215.
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I have a feeling the quality of the photo will still come down to the user.....
That's crazy talk. More pixels means better photos. Everyone knows that. ;)
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I have a feeling the quality of the photo will still come down to the user.....
Or the viewer...
;)
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Or the viewer...
I thought you were going to say "or the viewing distance".
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I'll place a bet that Canon has been sitting on something big for a while and they've been waiting for the most opportune time to release it. It's pointless for a company like these to release their best hands when not needed and now that Nikon has well and truly caught up I think that time has come.
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now that Nikon has well and truly caught up I think that time has come.
Nikon didn't have any catching-up to do. What they have done now is created a better differentiation between models.
The D3s always outshone the 5D2 but was more expensive. The D700 matched the 5D2 in everything except megapixels.
Now Nikon have introduced the D800 and the D4 which, in very different ways, take the full-frame choice for serious amateur photographers several steps forward and retained the D700 as a third option.
I suspect that Canon will not (for the time being) attempt to out-resolve the D800 but will aim their much-forecast 5D3 at a mid-point between D800 and D4, concentrating, perhaps, on addressing some of the problems of their older model.
But hey! Both Nikon and Canon produce great cameras that can produce image quality that was only available in medium format a few years ago. As most amateur photographers have much more money tied up in lenses and accessories than in camera bodies, I can't see many jumping ship. I think that the magazines that are predicting a mass defection from Canon to Nikon have simply got that wrong.
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I wasn't being exclusive to last models and as I said, they have well and truly caught up. I'm talking the last decade or more which EOS has had a stronger foothold. All those photos of banks of journalists at sporting events and 99% of lenses being white...those days are over.
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Now that Canon have issued the specification of the new 5D, it looks as if I was right to suggest that they are looking at a very different market segment compared to the D800.
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They have? Where? All I can find are rumors.
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Here you are:
Unsurpassed Image Quality
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)
High Performance Operation
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles
High end features
Silent & low vibration modes
Dual card slots (CF & SD)
High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
Multiple Exposures
Comparative Playback function
Improved durability & water and dust resistance
SPECIFICATIONS
Available Colours – Black
Megapixels – 22MP
Sensor Size – 36 x 24mm
ISO/Sensitivity – 100 – 25600
Autofocus Points – 61 points
Lens Mount – Canon
LCD Size – 3.2″
Liveview – Yes
Viewfinder – Optical TTL
Min Shutter Speed – 30 sec
Max Shutter Speed – 1/8000 sec
Continuous Shooting Speed – 6 fps
Self Timer – 10 sec, 2 sec
Metering – Centre-weighted, Spot, Evaluative, Partial
Video Resolution – Full HD 1080
Memory Type – Compact Flash
Connectivity – USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
Battery – LP-E6
Battery Type – Lithium-ion
Charger – Includes Li-Ion Charger
File Formats – AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
Dimensions – 152 x 116 x 76mm
Box Contents – Battery Pack LP-E6 .. Battery Charger LC-E6 .. AV Cable AVC-DC400ST .. Interface Cable IFC-200U .. Eyecup Eg .. Wide Strap EWEOS5DMKIII .. CR1616 Lithium Battery+
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Where's that from? It's not on Canon's website, that I can find.
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I believe that the official announcement will be made tomorrow.
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With the new Canon 5DMk3 now on sale in UK at £2995, the Nikon D800 at £2395 looks the clear winner.
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It seems that Nikon has stolen Canon 5D MK II Footage For D800 Promo Video.
http://wideopencamera.com/cameras/nikon-steals-canon-5d-mk-ii-footage-for-d800-promo-video/
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and it now appears you can't use the 24mm PC lens on the d800
quite ridiculous.
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and it now appears you can't use the 24mm PC lens on the d800
quite ridiculous.
According to which source?
Cheers,
Bart
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It seems that Nikon has stolen Canon 5D MK II Footage For D800 Promo Video.
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet
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Don't believe everything you read on the Internet
While a healthy amount of skepticism is always in order, if you will read the article in its entirety, you will see that it is well sourced and documented.
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http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244 (http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244)
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http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244 (http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244)
Seems a bit less than a perfect camera, doesn't it? It's a shame that the demands of the marketplace, i.e., rush the camera out before it is really thought through, are significantly more important to Nikon (or Canon or Sony, just to name the top three) than are the needs of the photographer, particularly the professionals at whom this camera is aimed.
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for me any notions of switching were killed off in an instant. the mkIII is actually looking a quite attractive proposition now as there are quite a few features that will make my shooting easier like the extended multi bracketing and in built level. the files look seem to have no shadow pattern noise and a bit more DR.
i liked the idea of the 100meg tiff but if you can't use essential lenses then no point swapping over.
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http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244 (http://answers.nikonusa.com/answers/7022/product/2168/nikon-pc-e-nikkor-24mm-f-3-5d-ed-questions-answers/questions.htm?expandquestion=648244)
Ah, it seems like it's a mechanical limitation due to the overhanging built-in flash of the D800 body. Thanks for the link.
Cheers,
Bart
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This seems to suggest it WILL fit, although I can't really see if the shift "headroom" is enough.
http://d800.org/nikon-d800-images/nikon-d800-with-pc-e-24mm-tilt-shift/
Jaap
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This seems to suggest it WILL fit, although I can't really see if the shift "headroom" is enough.
Hi Jaap,
Good catch. It seems odd that Nikon would go through the trouble of producing a product image of a lens/body combination if it doesn't really work together. I mean it doesn't make sense to show such a lens on the D800 body without disclaimer that the distinguishing features of the lens, Tilt and Shift, cannot be used. Yet the other link suggests it can only be used as a normal lens without adjustments. Tilt alone shouldn't produce sensel shading issues either.
Thus, the mystery remains unsolved for now ...
Cheers,
Bart
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and it now appears you can't use the 24mm PC lens on the d800
quite ridiculous.
I just checked with nikon. ( because these PCElenses are my backbones)
It is possible to work with the pce-lenses but for probably only the 24mmPCE you have to change one shift knob for a smaller one at a service station
They say that the same thing has to be done when working with the d300 and d700 bodies
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It seems odd that Nikon would go through the trouble of producing a product image of a lens/body combination if it doesn't really work together. I mean it doesn't make sense to show such a lens on the D800 body without disclaimer if the distinguishing features of the lens, Tilt and Shift, cannot be used.
Hi Bart,
Even worse, why develop a camera clearly aimed at the kind of photography TS lenses find most of their use, and subsequently not supporting these lenses.
The answer of Nikon (USA) needs to be more nuanced to say the least, or better yet just clarify this.
Jaap
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While a healthy amount of skepticism is always in order, if you will read the article in its entirety, you will see that it is well sourced and documented.
It was never intended for public consumption. It was an ad agency's concept piece, which is a standard operating practice in advertising. it was meant to sell and idea to company execs. There was no misuse, no fraud, and no attempt to pull the wool over the consumer's eyes.
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I just checked with nikon. ( because these PCElenses are my backbones)
It is possible to work with the pce-lenses but for probably only the 24mmPCE you have to change one shift knob for a smaller one at a service station
They say that the same thing has to be done when working with the d300 and d700 bodies
And a similar thing has to be done with the Canon TS-E 17mm. The lens ships with two different size knobs, the smaller knob making shift movements easier when the lens is attached to a body with built-in flash, such as all of Canon's cropped formats.
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any notions of switching were killed off in an instant. ...
i liked the idea of the 100meg tiff but if you can't use essential lenses then no point swapping over.
Maybe more than an instant should be devoted to the
consideration. Now we read, as should be expected
(and wanted):
The 24mm f/3.5 PC-E works with both tilt and shift on the Nikon D800.
Nikon Europe has previously stated the D800 allows full range of adjustment.
This fact was re-confirmed again today by Nikon Nordic.
I'd imagine that not so many are depending on the built-in flash
when using T/S lenses, so issues of its coverage then are irrelevant?!
--dl*
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i took a Nikon representatives words on a Nikon website as gospel.
i can see where i went wrong now :-[
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The 24 PC-E will work fine on the D800, just as it does on the D700. You must turn the lens where the larger knob is away from the flash housing, thats all. The "news" on the internet seems to be pretty full of it lately.