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Sony RX100...
« on: June 06, 2012, 05:49:58 AM »

Fascinating move from Sony. Although it is of course pricier, it will probably attract the eye of many potential Canon S100 buyers.

It also casts an interesting light on the potential of CX sized sensors and on how small those cameras could become.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 11:21:22 AM »

So there's already a 20mp version of the V1/J1 sensor? What do you suppose Nikon might do with that?  :)
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 04:23:12 PM »

Yes, I agree, very interesting move.  I bought into the micro 4/3 system because the image quality wasn't there with the Canon S90 if I wanted to try to make a serious print, but m4/3 is not really a "carry everywhere on the belt" system even with just one of the pancakes, so the Sony is definitely interesting.  It will be interesting to see how the Sony raw files hold up.  I do wish they had stuck with a 12MP or 16MP sensor, though, just how big does Sony think people want to print from a compact camera anyway?  I'd rather have even marginally better DR and noise.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 06:32:24 PM »

The DPR low-ISO images looked pretty damn good to me.  You aren't really going to pay any IQ penalty for 20MP over 16MP.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 08:11:35 PM »

And since the lens doesn't go much beyond 100mm equivalent, having the extra pixels for cropping will be useful.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2012, 12:35:02 PM »

The DPR low-ISO images looked pretty damn good to me.  You aren't really going to pay any IQ penalty for 20MP over 16MP.

On reflection, I think the real IQ issue will be the corner performance of the little lens.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 02:47:45 PM »

  
The form factor in relation to sensor size looks compelling to me.
But then it seems that the additional sensor size (e.g. compared to a Powershot G12) was largely invested to double the pixel count to 20 mp rather than increasing pixel size - and what we commonly attribute with it: dynamic range, less noise, low light high iso performace... unless the sensor itself would simply be better (such as with Nikon's D7000/5100, or Pentax's whatsoever generation - at the risk that I'm not really up to date anymore).

Another camera and 'fascinating move' which misses the sweet spot of camera size vs sensor size vs pixel count vs pixel quality ?
E.g. like the Powershot G1X - for my purposes.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 03:36:34 AM »

Of typical Nikon, they are likely to avoid to cannibalize the sales of the V1/J1 which I think is a limited system. Technology will eventually allow FF sensor to pack into small camera body as before with the Contax T3 or Minolta TC-1, there is a logical size for camera or simply it can be a iPhone, The RX-100 will eventually start a new trend of camera, which is good for users, not good for some camera makers.

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So there's already a 20mp version of the V1/J1 sensor? What do you suppose Nikon might do with that?  :)
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 11:34:44 AM »

Technology will eventually allow FF sensor to pack into small camera body as before with the Contax T3 or Minolta TC-1, there is a logical size for camera or simply it can be a iPhone, The RX-100 will eventually start a new trend of camera, which is good for users, not good for some camera makers.

... agreed,
so we'll continue to wait.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 02:29:35 PM »

... it seems that the additional sensor size (e.g. compared to a Powershot G12) was largely invested to double the pixel count to 20 mp rather than increasing pixel size ...

As I understand it, the sensor area is 4x that of the G12 while the pixel count  is 2x. So the pixel size on the Sony should be twice that of the Canon.
(I am not so sure pixel area is indeed so important but what do I know ?)

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2012, 09:12:09 AM »

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 01:14:55 PM »

?? looks more like something around 2.75x

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor%20sizes

I stand corrected. I remember reading somewhere that it was 4 times bigger but never looked at the actual sizes (or maybe I just dreamt it).
Sorry about the confusion.
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2012, 07:19:23 PM »

Thanks for posting Bernard.
I have a Sony NEX5, and frankly I don't use it much. Kit zoom; 55-210 as well. Sony has too much of my money.

I visited the local Sony Store (Toronto) and asked when the NEX5N would be replaced. they showed me their computer screen. The silver 5N is discontinued. Surely a replacement for that cams is imminent too.

This camera looks very interesting. Truly appreciate the thoughts here.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2012, 07:25:16 PM »

I've started working with the RX100 and will have a review within the next week or so. It's a pretty amazing little camera.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2012, 07:32:34 PM »

Good!  My recent cameras include
G9 with Franiec grip (after the Japanese trip story here)
2-G11's
LX5
NEX5

My M3 was stolen years ago; my M4P and I didn't get along.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2012, 07:41:39 PM »

Double good!
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2012, 10:02:46 PM »

I've started working with the RX100 and will have a review within the next week or so. It's a pretty amazing little camera.

Same here.  :)

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Bernard
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2012, 07:44:44 AM »

By the way, is there already a decent raw converter supporting the RX100?

Thanks.

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Bernard
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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2012, 09:12:41 AM »

There are a couple, (Rawthereppe) but I don't think that they yet handle the optical correction codes. This camera / lens combo really needs it.

We're stuck with Sony's dreadful Image Data Converter for the moment.

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Re: Sony RX100...
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2012, 09:09:50 PM »

There are a couple, (Rawthereppe) but I don't think that they yet handle the optical correction codes. This camera / lens combo really needs it.

We're stuck with Sony's dreadful Image Data Converter for the moment.

Michael,

Answering my own question, Raw Developper 1.95 does already support the RX100.

Nice conversions as usual.

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Bernard
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