Topic: leaf or hasselblad digital back?? (Read 12289 times)

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2010, 06:10:55 pm »

thanks Doug, a lot has changed ... I haven't been keeping up and regret this now, it is like starting over.

That sensor + would be perfect for my personal work when I love to move around a lot and shoot like I am using a film camera LOL.... capturing everything! but the 40+ goes for almost 20k !! don't know if it is just better to get the new canon IV and the aptus II-6 or 7 OR just get the II-5 for everything until I find a need faster (canon) or bigger MP (II-6 or 7)

decisions decisions decisions

buckshot · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2010, 08:44:22 pm »

Quote from: nicolaasdb

any thoughts yet on the PENTAX 40MP 645D???

I'm sure Phase/Leaf reps do. Something like 'Jeezo, it's half the price of a P40+/Aptus II-8! I hope we're allowed to do some aggressive pricing on our competing backs so that we don't lose potential customers' perhaps?

gwhitf · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2010, 08:54:02 pm »

Quote from: buckshot

I'm sure Phase/Leaf reps do do. Something like 'Jeezo, it's half the price of a P40+/Aptus II-8! I hope we're allowed to do some aggressive pricing on our competing backs so that we don't lose potential customers' perhaps?

On May 20th, 2010, there are going to be some nervous folks in some Scandinavian countries, for sure. You're gonna have sales reps sitting there hitting "Refresh", over and over, waiting for the first test results from the Pentax 645D. Just like Goldman Sachs, they're going to be hoping for bad news.

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2010, 09:28:59 pm »

I have a hard time believing that pentax is going to have a winner on the first try.

buckshot · « **Reply #24 on:** April 28, 2010, 12:05:11 am »

Quote from: JonathanBenoit

I have a hard time believing that pentax is going to have a winner on the first try.

I suspect that's exactly what Phase/Leaf are thinking (hoping?) as well!

Given reports trickling out from people who've seen images released so far, allied with the fact that Pentax have a great reputation in the world of MF cameras & lenses, I'm pretty optimistic.

John.Williams · « **Reply #25 on:** April 28, 2010, 10:23:40 pm »

There is a lot of Pentax glass out there and IMHO, I think that is a great thing for MF in general - better photographic material from those previously on the sidelines.

I am humbled by the difficulties present to produce a modern integrated DSLR system and welcome Pentax to the challenge.

In the end, it brings more choices and that has never proven to be a bad thing. Of course, I am happy to show the fruits of Hasselblad's R&D to those who are interested.

Approach new and old with an open mind, you can learn more by leaving your assumptions and notions behind.

John

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2010, 06:28:36 pm »

is there any difference between the DM22 back and the leaf aptus-II 5 back..besides the name?? ( I don't think so ... just asking) and is there any difference between the Phase One 645AFD and the Mamiya 645AFDIII (don't think so either, but again want to be sure since I don't have the time nor energy to update again within the next couple of months)

and last..... anybody have an opinion (besides a sales rep trying to make me spend more money) on the 22MP versus the 28MP in real life situations??

Please keep in mind I am a fashion/beauty/swimwear/ lingerie photographer...... in need of speed and more speed.

Is moire a big issue?? I have had issues with it with the 65, so can it get any worse??

thanks

Nicolaas

Steve Hendrix · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2010, 06:42:54 pm »

Quote from: nicolaasdb

is there any difference between the DM22 back and the leaf aptus-II 5 back..besides the name?? ( I don't think so ... just asking) and is there any difference between the Phase One 645AFD and the Mamiya 645AFDIII (don't think so either, but again want to be sure since I don't have the time nor energy to update again within the next couple of months)

and last..... anybody have an opinion (besides a sales rep trying to make me spend more money) on the 22MP versus the 28MP in real life situations??

Please keep in mind I am a fashion/beauty/swimwear/ lingerie photographer...... in need of speed and more speed.

Is moire a big issue?? I have had issues with it with the 65, so can it get any worse??

thanks

Nicolaas

Nicolaas

The DM22 and Aptus II 5 are the same. The Phase One AF and the Mamiya AFDIII are the same - except the Phase One version has an option of a 3 year warranty on the camera and the Phase One lenses come standard with 3 year warranties. The Mamiya branded versions of the same lenses come with one year warranties.

Between 22 and 28, well, 22 is faster. Moire - can it get worse? Ummm....quite possibly. Our experience has shown that more resolution over a similar size imaging surface has a reducing effect on the frequency and the degree of moire. I don't know that there will be a significant difference between a 22MP and 28MP product on that level however due to the random nature of moire. Both are capable of it. I don't think I would base a buying decision on the possibility the 28 might moire just slightly less frequently than the 22. Probably other factor differences are more important for you Nicolaas.

You've been used to the 65, so...the 22 is a bigger sensor, you might like that. And the capture rates are actually pretty close, a tenth of a second apart. You'll lose nearly a stop of usable ISO on the high end with the 22 (if you use that on your 65) but you'll gain a stop on the low end (ISO 25 vs 50). There's a $5,000 difference in price just on the digital backs themselves, but it narrows to a $3,000 difference if bundling the DF/80LS.

Steve Hendrix

HarperPhotos · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:19:13 pm »

Hi Nicolaas,

I got so fed up with moire with my leaf Aptus 75 that I got a Nikon D3x. Problem solved.

Cheers

Simon

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:32:17 pm »

Quote from: HarperPhotos

Hi Nicolaas,

I got so fed up with moire with my leaf Aptus 75 that I got a Nikon D3x. Problem solved.

Cheers

Simon

You traded one problem for another.. soft images.
I hate moire just as much as the next person. They should stop increasing megapixels and just focus on eliminating moire without softening the images. Basically they need to be able to do in a single shot as they have done in a multishot.

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #30 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:41:53 pm »

There's a $5,000 difference in price just on the digital backs themselves, but it narrows to a $3,000 difference if bundling the DF/80LS.

Steve Hendrix
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Your losing me Steve.... what is a DF/80LS??

HarperPhotos · « **Reply #31 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:43:30 pm »

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry to disagree with you but I haven't experienced any soft images with the D3x.

Attached image Nikon D3x and Nikon AF85mm.

Cheers

Simon

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #32 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:44:39 pm »

I only had a moire problem 3 of 4 times.... maybe the way I light my stuff... I had the problem a couple of weeks ago on a $750 piece of lingerie...and retouched it...but isn't there a software program to take care of this after the shoot??

when you mean soft images...are you referring to the nikon or leaf??

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #33 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:48:36 pm »

Quote from: HarperPhotos

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry to disagree with you but I haven't experienced any soft images with the D3x.

Attached image Nikon D3x and Nikon AF85mm.

Cheers

Simon

Nikons and any 35mm are soft because of the anti alias filter to help remove moire.

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #34 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:54:07 pm »

I always loved Nikon, but they came to the digital playground way too late with their full size sensor and I couldn't wait any longer so bought the canon 1Ds ..and now have invested in canon lenses and am used to it.
I just can't shoot everything with my 35mm and can't stand the fact that I need a special mask on my viewer to shoot 3/4 format.

Also can't have my client thinking they have the same camera (or as they say...almost!!)

It is all smoke and mirrors.... but when it comes to detail in highlights and shadows you can't compare 35 to medium...and believe me I have been doing it.... because shooting with my canon is soooo freakin easy and I get sooo many more shots where I capture that particular look!!

Maybe when canon comes out with the mark IV they will have 16 bit and the same look and feel..... we'll wait and see...but in the mean time I think the medium is the way to go

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #35 on:** April 30, 2010, 07:55:51 pm »

Quote from: JonathanBenoit

Nikons are soft because of the anti alias filter to help remove moire.

ah...yep read about that, but that can easily be corrected in PS..... of topic.... just oploaded CS5 and the edge refine tool is AMAZING!!!! it actually works!

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #36 on:** April 30, 2010, 08:14:13 pm »

Quote from: nicolaasdb

ah...yep read about that, but that can easily be corrected in PS..... of topic.... just oploaded CS5 and the edge refine tool is AMAZING!!!! it actually works!

yes you can easily "sharpen" a photograph in PS, but its not the same thing as having an actual sharp photograph to start.

nicolaasdb · « **Reply #37 on:** April 30, 2010, 08:27:40 pm »

with the amount of work my images need in post (PS) honestly sharpening is the least of my problems!!

Steve Hendrix · « **Reply #38 on:** April 30, 2010, 09:08:37 pm »

Quote from: nicolaasdb

There's a $5,000 difference in price just on the digital backs themselves, but it narrows to a $3,000 difference if bundling the DF/80LS.

Steve Hendrix

Your losing me Steve.... what is a DF/80LS??

DF/80LS is referring to the Phase One camera and bundled 80mm lens if you bought it as a kit rather than only buying the digital back. If you already have a camera, then no worries.

Steve Hendrix

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