Topic: Sinar moving on (Read 9003 times)

edwinb · « **on:** October 06, 2009, 10:11:27 am »

Some news from Sinar Photography -to go with the new Logo they are offering the hY6 in various bundles with new aggresive pricing as well as the 75H/p3 system:-

Set Sinar Hy6-s65r w/o lens
Sinar Hy6-s65r incl. Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS, Schneider AFD S-Angulon 2.8/50 PQS and Schneider AFD Tele-Xenar 2.8/180 PQ
Sinar Hy6-e54r w/o lens (cheapest at £8688)
Sinar Hy6-e54r incl. Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS, Schneider AFD S-Angulon 2.8/50 PQS and Schneider AFD Tele-Xenar 2.8/180 PQ
Sinar Hy6-e75r w/o lens
Sinar Hy6-e75r incl. Schneider AFD Xenotar 2.8/80 PQS, Schneider AFD S-Angulon 2.8/50 PQS and Schneider AFD Tele-Xenar 2.8/180 PQ
Sinarback eVolution 75H + Sinar p3 view camera

uk specs & prices here

Edwin

rolleiflexpages · « **Reply #1 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:48:03 am »

Hi Edwin,
thanks for this information.

A couple of questions:
- what would be the best option in terms of Sinar digital back with the Hy6: the s65 (seems the most "modern" one) or the emotion series?
- does Sinar offer a good deal for the s65 back when one already has a Hy6 body etc?
- would some final adjustments by Sinar be needed in case one is using a regular Hy6 body to which a Sinar s65 back is added?

Thanks.
Pascal
http://www.rolleiflexpages.com

Neil Folberg · « **Reply #2 on:** October 07, 2009, 04:43:06 pm »

Hello,

If Sinar is selling the Hy6, then who is producing the cameras if F&H is bankrupt? Or are they selling off stock before abandoning this platform, which seems strange as they would need to stockpile some cameras for warranty replacements, as I believe Leaf has done?

Neil

edwinb · « **Reply #3 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:23:58 pm »

Quote from: rolleiflexpages

Hi Edwin,
thanks for this information.

A couple of questions:
- what would be the best option in terms of Sinar digital back with the Hy6: the s65 (seems the most "modern" one) or the emotion series?
- does Sinar offer a good deal for the s65 back when one already has a Hy6 body etc?
- would some final adjustments by Sinar be needed in case one is using a regular Hy6 body to which a Sinar s65 back is added?

Thanks.
Pascal
http://www.rolleiflexpages.com

-the emotion can also be used with a view camera, if only for the hy6 your correct s65 is native dng format internally which allows full freedom of software/platform
compare details here:- 65 and emotion cameraback specs
-always a good deal link above has cameraback prices alone listed
-fairly certain its ok - send me the hy6 serial number and I can check
Edwin

edwinb · « **Reply #4 on:** October 07, 2009, 06:40:20 pm »

Quote from: Neil Folberg

Hello,

If Sinar is selling the Hy6, then who is producing the cameras if F&H is bankrupt? Or are they selling off stock before abandoning this platform, which seems strange as they would need to stockpile some cameras for warranty replacements, as I believe Leaf has done?

Neil

Sinar Photography are the manufacturer / sole support for the Sinar Hy6
and offer a repair service to leaf AFi and Rollei Hy6.
Sinar guarantee the ongoing support in their news release on www.sinar.ch website 15.09.2009
Edwin

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:34:39 pm »

Quote from: edwinb

Sinar Photography are the manufacturer / sole support for the Sinar Hy6

I'm sorry to ask for clarification, but when you say "manufacturer" are you stating that Sinar Photography is now currently engaged in active/current production of NEW Sinar Hy6 bodies and lenses?

That is not my understanding; however, I'm very open to be corrected. It is a very important point for those considering investing in the platform for their purchase.

Doug Peterson
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PdF · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2009, 03:43:36 pm »

Does anybody knows the "new" prices in € ?

PdF

vjbelle · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:05:47 pm »

Quote from: dougpetersonci

I'm sorry to ask for clarification, but when you say "manufacturer" are you stating that Sinar Photography is now currently engaged in active/current production of NEW Sinar Hy6 bodies and lenses?

That is not my understanding; however, I'm very open to be corrected. It is a very important point for those considering investing in the platform for their purchase.

Doug Peterson
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I think that this posting needs some 'REAL' clarification......

ThierryH · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2009, 06:26:05 pm »

Sorry to intervene at the place of Edwin, but it seems to me that this has been clarified in the most recent and latest Sinar press release.

I have myself pointed to it a few days ago and in another thread.

Here again, the specific extract of this press release and market information, dated September 15th 2009:

" ... Sinar Photography will continue to provide professional and expert service for its customers. Service and support for the current Sinar product range are also guaranteed for the future with the new firm Sinar Photography, including the repair, warranty and guarantee service for Sinar view camera systems, the digital backs and the Hy6 and Sinar m medium-format camera systems.

The ongoing product development at Sinar Photography will focus predominantly on the tried-and-tested analog and digital camera systems. This includes the digital backs, the globally renowned Sinar view cameras for studio applications, and the specialist cameras for architecture and document photography. The continuation of the Hy6 medium-format camera is currently under negotiation, but the existing business alliance guarantees long-term technical support..."

Best regards,
Thierry

Quote from: vjbelle

I think that this posting needs some 'REAL' clarification......

Doug Peterson · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2009, 07:00:31 pm »

Quote from: ThierryH

Sorry to intervene at the place of Edwin, but it seems to me that this has been clarified in the most recent and latest Sinar press release.

I have myself pointed to it a few days ago and in another thread.

Here again, the specific extract of this press release and market information, dated September 15th 2009:

"...The continuation of the Hy6 medium-format camera is currently under negotiation, but the existing business alliance guarantees long-term technical support...[/b][/i]"

Thank you Thierry. It was on this specific press release which I was basing my request for clarification. So if I am not mistaken Sinar Photography guarantees long term technical support, but the production of new bodies and further development of the platform (e.g. wide lenses) is not secured, but is rather "under negotiation".

This is different than to say that Sinar Photography is the "are the manufacturer" (note the present tense) which I read as implying that Sinar Photography (or anyone for that matter) is currently manufacturing or developing this body/lens-line rather than only selling those bodies which were already made. Perhaps that was my misreading of Edwin's english.

In any case it is good to have clarification.

Doug Peterson
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rolleiflexpages · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2009, 08:25:12 am »

To add to this: Franke & Heidecke has been continuing its business beyond the 30 September for another two weeks at least, with excellent perspective for future continuation of its activities, from what I was told from a source inside the company.

yaya · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:31:17 am »

This article may be found useful as it clarifies who owns what etc.

tho_mas · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2009, 09:44:09 am »

Quote from: yaya

This article may be found useful as it clarifies who owns what etc.

thanks. interssting. especially this quote:

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Sunday 11 October: Leaf Imaging to unveil new entry-level Aptus digital back

Goodi · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2009, 01:08:46 pm »

I would love to see the Hy6 / AFi alive, cause it wa a lot of work to make it happen, but I think PO won't do it there is to much risk in it and with the 645DF they have already a working system

Regards
Michael

EricWHiss · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2009, 02:21:15 pm »

I'd buy one if they bring it back and am excited about the prospect of it. The great thing about the AFi is that the whole range of leaf shutter high quality schneider optics are already available even second hand. Well actually that's just one great thing - lots of really great features in the AFi camera.

Neil Folberg · « **Reply #15 on:** October 10, 2009, 05:52:32 pm »

The AFi/Hy6 is a spectacular camera; a delight to use, simple and reliable; the live view feature has proven very useful, even in field shots. The lenses are the best I've ever used, either in the studio or in the field and are already in the market. If long term availability and support are guaranteed I can't see who would be unhappy with it. The various backs from the different manufacturers are simply a matter of personal preference, I think. The rotating back of the AFi-ii with the tilting screen is a major plus.

Neil Folberg

Christopher · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2009, 12:56:29 am »

Quote from: xinchenc

Hy6/AFi should not die.

I do not think Phaseone+Mamiya could sell many Mamiya 645DF+Schneider lens. It is a question of marketing. Even Phaseone re-brand that bundle, to sell them under brand Phase One or Leaf, It Helps Nonthing.

If Phaseone do not continue AFi, it means Phaseone do not know marketing. Why Leica do not produce lenses for Mamiya 645DF? Think about it.

Xin

Well it probably depends on what you want and need. Everyone is different. Me for one hated the Hy6/Afi, after trying it for a few days I already knew that this would't happen and so for me Phase and Hassi was left.

I think the 645DF+LS lenses will sell superb. The new 645 feels really nice and a lot more responsive. I really don't what besides a larger LF lens range a Hy6 could give me, except a horrible feeling when shooting with that plastic camera. However that is my opinion and I am sure some people love that thing, I'm certainly not one of them.

JerryReed · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2009, 06:55:02 am »

Christopher,

"I really don't what besides a larger LF lens range a Hy6 could give me, except a horrible feeling when shooting with that plastic camera. "

I am not following you here. Could you expand on what you mean please?

Jerry

Christopher · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2009, 12:28:47 pm »

Quote from: JerryReed

Christopher,

"I really don't what besides a larger LF lens range a Hy6 could give me, except a horrible feeling when shooting with that plastic camera. "

I am not following you here. Could you expand on what you mean please?

Jerry

Perhaps I should say the following. I don't think the Hy6 is a bad concept, I really liked it. (Main reason I was trying it) However when doing so, it just did't feel right for me. It's just the feeling and experience, nothing really wrong with the camera. It's a bit like the Sony a900 for me. Very interesting camera, but using it for a longer period did't work out. (Didn't like how the camera felt holding, etc)

In addition, I'm not saying the AFDIII is a very good camera, it has it's problems and if I had to have LS lenses last year, I would not have gone with Phase, but probably with Hassi.

EricWHiss · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:27:47 pm »

Quote from: Christopher

Perhaps I should say the following. I don't think the Hy6 is a bad concept, I really liked it. (Main reason I was trying it) However when doing so, it just did't feel right for me. It's just the feeling and experience, nothing really wrong with the camera. It's a bit like the Sony a900 for me. Very interesting camera, but using it for a longer period did't work out. (Didn't like how the camera felt holding, etc)

In addition, I'm not saying the AFDIII is a very good camera, it has it's problems and if I had to have LS lenses last year, I would not have gone with Phase, but probably with Hassi.

I don't think you can formulate a fair opinion about the camera in a just a perfunctory examination. It's layout is different than a DSLR and a lot of MF cameras and it takes some time until the camera becomes a transparent extension of your vision - but it can and will. As an example - it does take a little while to get used to the WLF. The first time you use it, everything will be backwards and awkward but it can become over time a very wonderful feature for composing images well. From your website, I see that you've only been shooting seriously for a few years. Are you sure you can come to a fair conclusion about any of the gear?

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