Phaseone releases Capture Pro V4.8

[Guy Mancuso]

I think we need to remember the last update was for there own P65 and this one is for there new P40+. You simply cannot argue those updates for there own backs or they would not sell the back to begin with. I also think it should be noted that C1 supports many camera's and not just there own like Hassy , Sinar and leaf (which don't need updates as often )and updates for newly released camera's is something they must do also to support them and make more sales. Sorry guys if you where developing software you would be looking for the same revenue chain of adding support for those camera's. Please tell me you would not so I can really get a laugh out of it. This is a business that will thrive on sales to other camera makers out there like Nikon and Canon. I bought C1 years ago for my Canon 1ds as many others do as well for processing and tethered work. Does Adobe only sell to graphic designers and Microsoft only sell to accountants , no they do not but anyone they can get there hands on to make money. There is no difference here.

[Schewe]

I'm suggesting licensing the underlying code to Adobe, Apple, whatever, making it a codec or plugin whereby Phase could concentrate on processing only and leave the majority of UI and workflows to others that already do it much better. The install base could grow exponentially overnight.

Your kidding, right?


There is a lot to be said about various companies working together to advance the art, but in the grand scheme, you realize this is all about cohoonies, right?

I mean, all of the final output from any of the raw processing pipelines can offer reasonably good processing...but if you are really good and you know how to tune the notes (the ACR controls) you are far more likely to get what you want/need if you know how to control the settings in Camera Rw....

[aaanorton]

How about 4.7.1? Or better yet 4.4.1, since that is where we should be with actual released versions. Even that seems a bit aggressive for the tangible progress made. What's the rush to get through v4?

I think we need to remember the last update was for there own P65 and this one is for there new P40+. You simply cannot argue those updates for there own backs or they would not sell the back to begin with.

[aaanorton]

I fully agree with your pipeline premise. I just don't see how this invalidates anything I said. I'm sure I'm just being dense or didn't make myself clear earlier.

Your kidding, right?


There is a lot to be said about various companies working together to advance the art, but in the grand scheme, you realize this is all about cohoonies, right?

I mean, all of the final output from any of the raw processing pipelines can offer reasonably good processing...but if you are really good and you know how to tune the notes (the ACR controls) you are far more likely to get what you want/need if you know how to control the settings in Camera Rw....

[BernardLanguillier]

I mean, all of the final output from any of the raw processing pipelines can offer reasonably good processing...but if you are really good and you know how to tune the notes (the ACR controls) you are far more likely to get what you want/need if you know how to control the settings in Camera Rw....

Are you saying that you also use non Adobe software from times to times Jeff? I guess you would have had to spend more than a little bit of time with C1 4.x to form such an opinion... :-)

Cheers,
Bernard

[Guy Mancuso]

How about 4.7.1? Or better yet 4.4.1, since that is where we should be with actual released versions. Even that seems a bit aggressive for the tangible progress made. What's the rush to get through v4?

Not sure on particular versions but if a bug is discovered which certainly happens in every software package I have seen even Apple than if they can make the fix why not. This is not a conspiracy theory they are trying to improve and add functions but I do agree totally to try and test as much as they can before release . Obviously they don't have every configuration of the many thousands of computers and software programs on everyones computer. Shit happens. I am not defending them but also looking at the reality of it. Many other programs on some ones particular system may actually effect other programs. Software business is not a fun business to be in. No matter what some ones system is screwed. There is always a balance of testing and getting it out the door to support other products as well and that does not always work smoothly. Not sure we can sit here and say Microsoft or Apple is any better or Adobe and anyone else is as well. This is not a easy business put 15 brand new MBP in front of 15 people load there personal software choices and watch the different issues pop up

Honestly I am sitting here almost on the hourly basis  waiting for version 10.5.7 from Apple

[MichaelAlanBielat]

Downloading it now... Thanks for the heads up.

[brentward]

Do we need to completely uninstall C1 and reinstall this little update? OR just update over the 4.7 install?

[R_Medvid]

I remember times when Mamiya AFD Kit was sold together with Adobe Lightroom in one package and this was advertised at mamiya.com

I agree that raw processing engine from Phase is probably superior to ACR embedded into Lightroom. But file management and overall UI is just raw raw raw.

It's like the story with a RawShooter software -- they managed to develop a great raw processing engine and were absorbed by and embedded into Lightroom. Well, CO4 is bigger than RawShooter team and cannot be just absorbed... But still Adobe are great for what they are doing in respect to interface and image management. Everybody else is chasing them, more or less desperately.

[bcooter]

Do we need to completely uninstall C1 and reinstall this little update? OR just update over the 4.7 install?

Instructional Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE

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[aaanorton]

@Guy
You seem to be replying to issues not raised in this thread in general nor in my posts in particular. How can we get on the same page?

Not sure on particular versions but if a bug is discovered which certainly happens in every software package I have seen even Apple than if they can make the fix why not. This is not a conspiracy theory they are trying to improve and add functions but I do agree totally to try and test as much as they can before release . Obviously they don't have every configuration of the many thousands of computers and software programs on everyones computer. Shit happens. I am not defending them but also looking at the reality of it. Many other programs on some ones particular system may actually effect other programs. Software business is not a fun business to be in. No matter what some ones system is screwed. There is always a balance of testing and getting it out the door to support other products as well and that does not always work smoothly. Not sure we can sit here and say Microsoft or Apple is any better or Adobe and anyone else is as well. This is not a easy business put 15 brand new MBP in front of 15 people load there personal software choices and watch the different issues pop up

Honestly I am sitting here almost on the hourly basis  waiting for version 10.5.7 from Apple

[brentward]

Instructional Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqSOvUH_njE

B

Funny video. I was more asking (in a smart ass kind of way) WHY we have to go through the whole process of uninstalling the software just for a little update...

[Guy Mancuso]

So we go from 4.7 to 4.8 for simply adding compatibility for a new back? What new features/improvements/functionality were made? I fail to see how making it work for new product Phase One announces qualifies as a full 4.x upgrade signifier.
Who here bought (paid for) v3.x of Capture One Pro? Remember being told that the next version of Capture One Pro would be free? Well, how'd you like your free version? Maybe v5 will provide all of v3's functionality, metadata templating and other essential features pros expect. But of course, we'll all have to pay for those features (again).
Seems to me version 4 just became (potentially) usable with v4.5 (I still want my versions 4.2, 4.3 and 4.4!).
I really wish Phase would get out of the software-selling business. I know they won't, but it's sure to be their undoing.

This is on the same page.

[Doug Peterson]

Funny video. I was more asking (in a smart ass kind of way) WHY we have to go through the whole process of uninstalling the software just for a little update...

You don't HAVE to. The vast majority of the time you will be fine just writing over the previous install. Just like most of the time you install a major OSX update you can go right over the previous one. The majority of people who install this way and have no problems you rarely hear from.

However, the most fool-proof way is always to completely wipe the previous and install cleanly. Just like any other software.

It would be nice if there were a internal updater like with OSX or Photoshop, but very few mac programs are like that (mostly huge corporate programs like office, the OS, PS, etc).

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[gwhitf]

This is an interesting article by David Brooks of the Times. Seems connected with why I want to simply stay with 3.79. There's something about *really* using something, day in and day out, that you really begin to get your head around it. Rather than the general software approach, which seems to be "get halfass good with this version, but oops, there's an upgrade, so you go run and try that, and then bam, another upgrade". Over and over, but you never get fully comfortable with any of them.

I know that the companies are, of course, trying to make the software better and better, but still, there's something to just picking something and sticking with it. Practice, practice, to the point where it's almost invisible.

Article:  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/opinion/01brooks.html?em

Wouldn't it be interesting to find some guy, still using the original 1ds with that first generation of DPP, but he's been using it for so long, he's doing it with his eyes closed.

I'm just *now* getting to that point with Capture One 3.79. (How many years has it been..?)

[bcooter]

I'm just *now* getting to that point with Capture One 3.79. (How many years has it been..?)

You should have watched the instructional video.

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[aaanorton]

I'm just *now* getting to that point with Capture One 3.79. (How many years has it been..?)

Almost one year, actually. Which is my point. V3.x was around for a long time. People got used to it. It became the standard. Now v4 is out (still referred to as the 'new' version) and it's at 4.8, which is a larger build number than v3 ever reached. Again, what's the rush with burning through the build numbers on v4? One or two more features or cameras get released and it's history. Then all the stuff that "didn't get in" to v4, like rock-solid stability (3.x style), metadata templates, stitching (basically everything that made v3 great) and more will get pushed to v5. You know, the version everybody pays for again.

@Guy
PM me if you'd like to discuss how we're not talking about the same issues.

[Doug Peterson]

Almost one year, actually. Which is my point. V3.x was around for a long time. People got used to it. It became the standard. Now v4 is out (still referred to as the 'new' version) and it's at 4.8, which is a larger build number than v3 ever reached. Again, what's the rush with burning through the build numbers on v4? One or two more features or cameras get released and it's history. Then all the stuff that "didn't get in" to v4, like rock-solid stability (3.x style), metadata templates, stitching (basically everything that made v3 great) and more will get pushed to v5. You know, the version everybody pays for again.

1) Phase offered any user of version 3 a free upgrade to version 4. This means there are people who purchased up to 2005 and have not paid a dime in upgrades since then and are still current.
2) Every new camera has been supported by free releases.
3) When Phase released version 4 they also established a price of $100 to upgrade to version 5 whenever it is released. This is 20% of the price at which C1 3 was sold and 25% of the price which C1 4 is being sold at.
4) Capture One is free for anyone using Phase One backs

Name me another piece of paid software that comes anywhere close to the pricing structure of those four points.

As a benchmark Photoshop CS2 was released in 2005 and nobody would say Adobe would be unfair to charge 25% of the original 2005 software price to upgrade to CS4/CS5 and should have been giving you free file compatibility with any newly released camera since then.

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[Guy Mancuso]

I have not paid a dime to Phase One since i purchased it when the 1ds was released. I paid 500 at the time and nothing since. My Phase back has nothing to do with that either. I already had Pro for that long. I did call Phase to fix my activations since the 1ds I had many computers since than and it was all over the place on activations. They did not automate that on the website than as they do today. Adobe I have paid for ever PS upgrade since 4.5 I believe it was and they did only do a platform change for me to the Mac for free. BUt I paid the fees along the way to keep upgrading PS until recent CS4. Than just purchased Adobe Indesign and have 3 qualifying products LR,PS and Acrobat but to get InDesign the best deal they could do was 800 dollar up sell on only 1 existing product. Talk about bullshit . 3 fully paid products and I can only up sell from one of them. Let's talk about getting ripped off. Screw that I bought a full version legal Indesign for 300 dollars here and it is registered too
http://www.ztechsoftware.com/servlet/Cart?...mp;smode=update

I think Phase has been MORE than fair on my one license all this time. If it is 100 dollars to upgrade to Version 5 than I will gladly upgrade and pay the freight.

Adobe will never see my money again on a direct purchase to them i will buy it legally somewhere else as I just did. I think folks that have 3 purchased products should get a deal on Design Standard and not 1 product. Sorry that is not the way to treat REAL paying customers.

With that have a great weekend everyone . I am leaving town to go play golf and have a little fun.

[tho_mas]

Name me another piece of paid software that comes anywhere close to the pricing structure of those four points.

True! On the other hand you have to agree that we are still waiting for basic features of V3 (RGB chanels, Stitcher) and it would be annoying to pay again just to have back what we already had in V3, no?