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« on: October 18, 2008, 05:33:38 am »

im sure there is a few people disappointed that the nice new macbook didnt incude a firewire port.

not only is usb pathetically slow with OSX, now you cant run a digital back, a lot of hard drives and most video cameras without FW.

im sure if there are enough signatures, then apple will listen-

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/MB1394/petition-sign.html?

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 06:10:14 am »

the macbook's lcd is inferior to macbook pro's lcd, and photoshop cs4 will take advantage of the GPU's power, so maybe just choose MBP isn't that bad.



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im sure there is a few people disappointed that the nice new macbook didnt incude a firewire port.

not only is usb pathetically slow with OSX, now you cant run a digital back, a lot of hard drives and most video cameras without FW.

im sure if there are enough signatures, then apple will listen-

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/MB1394/petition-sign.html?

cheers paul

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 06:48:13 am »

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the macbook's lcd is inferior to macbook pro's lcd, and photoshop cs4 will take advantage of the GPU's power, so maybe just choose MBP isn't that bad.

Many of us prefer something smaller than the MBP because we travel with photo gear and laptops, especially for international or any travel involving airports. I'd pay the same price as a 15" MBP to get a 13" model if Apple refused to offer a MB with FW. In fact I'd buy a 12" or smaller MacBook (Pro) if it had FW. Of course an express card slot would be fine with me as well.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 07:03:22 am »

Yes I'd love to see a 12" MBP too, that would seduce a lot of users.

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Many of us prefer something smaller than the MBP because we travel with photo gear and laptops, especially for international or any travel involving airports. I'd pay the same price as a 15" MBP to get a 13" model if Apple refused to offer a MB with FW. In fact I'd buy a 12" or smaller MacBook (Pro) if it had FW. Of course an express card slot would be fine with me as well.

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 07:25:59 am »

Worse screens, no FW, Apple is moving mainstream.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 09:44:24 am »

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Worse screens, no FW, Apple is moving mainstream.

Edmund

Yup, on Apple Insider you have some Emails by Steve Jobs himself stating that clearly. All in all, mainstream consumers, who are the target for the MacBook, don't have a need for FW, they'll simply jump into USB. In an example from a user asking what should he do to edit his Firewire camcorder videos in a MacBook, Jobs simply implied that he should buy a new HD USB camcorder, as they're under US$500 now.

What still disturbs me, is why not give the MBP a second FW800 port, replacing the old FW400. The controller is already there, you cut down the need for two devices fighting over one single port on an extension hub. Or I'd be pretty happy with an optional eSata port. It's not only photographers who will miss it, but also musicians and pretty much everyone who needs to move large ammounts of data in a notebook with real power.

As for me ( current white MacBook user ), my target is to use this notebook for as long as possible, and move straight into the MBP when possible, instead of jumping to the next MB sooner. I guess many people will have to do that, and apple won't care much about changing their plans. All their consumer devices are USB and USB is cheaper to implement. Firewire failed as a popular interface, and everything, from the iPod to most cheaper external HDs and consumer cameras. As my loved one says, regular consumers only need to play video games and access the web, and write text on a notebook, and those are at least 80% of the people who buy the macbooks.

If you're a professional who needs more powerful hardware, and claim apple should change their lineup for your needs, they'll simply state they already have a pro lineup, and you should move into that lineup. Despite the fact the MacBook and MacBook pro now look almost as diferent sized versions of the same computer, the MacBook is all aimed at consumers, and I doubt apple will listen on changes to a line they took months to plan.

PS: If you'll run a petition, why not one to offer the Core2 Duo 3.06Ghz CPU on the next gen MacBook Pro 17"? And dual FW800 ports? Or optional matte screens?
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2008, 10:12:00 am »

Hi,

So I would dump my 3000 USD Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro and switch to what? Nikon 9000ED is also Firewire. I think that Steve Jobs is simply ignorant of his customers needs. So now we have two "Steves" ruling the world who don't care a a bit about customers.

Best regards
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Quote from: JessicaLuchesi
Yup, on Apple Insider you have some Emails by Steve Jobs himself stating that clearly. All in all, mainstream consumers, who are the target for the MacBook, don't have a need for FW, they'll simply jump into USB. In an example from a user asking what should he do to edit his Firewire camcorder videos in a MacBook, Jobs simply implied that he should buy a new HD USB camcorder, as they're under US$500 now.

What still disturbs me, is why not give the MBP a second FW800 port, replacing the old FW400. The controller is already there, you cut down the need for two devices fighting over one single port on an extension hub. Or I'd be pretty happy with an optional eSata port. It's not only photographers who will miss it, but also musicians and pretty much everyone who needs to move large ammounts of data in a notebook with real power.

As for me ( current white MacBook user ), my target is to use this notebook for as long as possible, and move straight into the MBP when possible, instead of jumping to the next MB sooner. I guess many people will have to do that, and apple won't care much about changing their plans. All their consumer devices are USB and USB is cheaper to implement. Firewire failed as a popular interface, and everything, from the iPod to most cheaper external HDs and consumer cameras. As my loved one says, regular consumers only need to play video games and access the web, and write text on a notebook, and those are at least 80% of the people who buy the macbooks.

If you're a professional who needs more powerful hardware, and claim apple should change their lineup for your needs, they'll simply state they already have a pro lineup, and you should move into that lineup. Despite the fact the MacBook and MacBook pro now look almost as diferent sized versions of the same computer, the MacBook is all aimed at consumers, and I doubt apple will listen on changes to a line they took months to plan.

PS: If you'll run a petition, why not one to offer the Core2 Duo 3.06Ghz CPU on the next gen MacBook Pro 17"? And dual FW800 ports? Or optional matte screens?
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2008, 09:13:28 am »

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Apple owes its shine and aura of attraction to us, the creative users. Apple should take better care of the people that give appeal to their products. On all my Apple computers I have always had all Firewire ports fully plugged. Firewire is essential to make these computers actually work for me (photography, video, sound production). A laptop without Firewire is completely useless to me and I will definately not buy it. Even the loss of FW400 on the MBP line is a big problem already. I used to buy a new Mac Pro or a Mac laptop every two years. I think that validates me as a loyal and economically interesting customer.

Well, I had the money to purchase the new MacBooks as soon as they came out. Now I just spent the money on a lens, and will wait and see. The Macbook holds no appeal as well. And if I have to move into the MacBook Pro, I'll jump right into the 2.8Ghz one, which is more expensive. Their loss really.

Isn't there any class action suits forcing apple to release MacOS Intel without the system lock up? Because the new apple notebooks are just like any notebook, with the exception of the system lock. That way we could all just buy non-apple hardware and just use MacOS.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2008, 01:30:19 pm »

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Well, I had the money to purchase the new MacBooks as soon as they came out. Now I just spent the money on a lens, and will wait and see. The Macbook holds no appeal as well. And if I have to move into the MacBook Pro, I'll jump right into the 2.8Ghz one, which is more expensive. Their loss really.

Isn't there any class action suits forcing apple to release MacOS Intel without the system lock up? Because the new apple notebooks are just like any notebook, with the exception of the system lock. That way we could all just buy non-apple hardware and just use MacOS.


Get over it already.
Sign the petition and maybe you'll get the port back in the next release.
However I think that as Apple are going mainstream they realize that photographers and demanding graphics designers who require good screens and big disks are not where the money is made - the real cash in the Macbook is now with the trendy 18-35 year old bimbos who need Facebook and iTunes. Business majors are PCs.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2008, 03:09:58 pm »

can we also get this back?

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2008, 03:49:46 pm »

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Thank you for making my feelings perfectly clear.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 04:12:45 pm »

What's wrong with an express port to FW adapter -- costs like 30 bucks?  There are even some USB to FW adapters that may work with many video and still cams...
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 05:47:11 pm »

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No express port on the Macbook.

I guess that would present a problem!

(Prolly also explains why I never even looked at it and bought a MacBook Pro ) ,
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2008, 12:36:57 am »

Hey Apple, where's the love ?  

What I need is an Apple laptop in the sub 10' inch range - something that would fit into a vest pocket or camera bag and with enough grunt for downloading, tethering and a bit of basic editing.

It will need Firewire and at least the option of a DVD burner..

Get to it please Steve..


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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2008, 01:21:56 am »

I stopped using Macs about 6 years ago but with the new Macbooks going w/o Firewire and with glossy screens, I decided to quickly buy the discontinued Macbook Pro 2.4GHz last week while they were clearing their channel inventory at a discount.  What a good deal.  I'm also going to buy Parallels and run Win XP for those Windoz stuff that I feel I need.

I also bought a Express 34 CF card reader on Ebay that will transfer at 45Mb/s.

I loaded my C1 V4.5 Pro over the weekend and shot 1Ds MKIII tethered.  It is so much easier to setup than on Win XP because C1 tethered on XP is flaky
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 02:32:51 am »

Same here, I bought the previous model 2.4 and got it at about a 40% discount! I am covered for the next 3years. Hopefully Apple wll get back to their senses by that time.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 12:09:13 pm »

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Hi,

So I would dump my 3000 USD Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro and switch to what? Nikon 9000ED is also Firewire. I think that Steve Jobs is simply ignorant of his customers needs. So now we have two "Steves" ruling the world who don't care a a bit about customers.

Best regards
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I think you'll find it's you that's ingorant and not Steve Jobs in this matter. Most of his customers don't use film scanners, MFB's or firewire HDD's. H1 and Q3 sales next year will tell us that his customers are very happy with the new Macbooks.

FW's development has stagnated. Fewer and fewer companies have licensed it, founder members like Sony have dropped it. Windows Vista doesn't support FW800. In the last couple of years I have purchased portable devices like HDD's for the field with FW and USB, I doubt I'm the only one who saw this coming. Don't forget the last generation MBP 15" didn't ship with a FW 800 port at first. FW is dying and clearly Apple have concluded it's less relevant to professional users and irrelevant to consumers.

If there is an issue here, it's communication. Apple doesn't publish roadmaps and is very secretive about new products. If they had said 18 months ago that the new Macbooks wouldn't have FW and that they were phasing it out, some customers would have had a potentially smoother transition. They have concluded upgrading users have FW on their old Macs and most switchers won't even know what FW is.

Our FW equipment hasn't been rendered useless or worthless. I'll happily use my existing FW devices (Scanners, HDD's, DVD, BR and DV cams) on my Mac Pro, current MBP or even an old PB G4 12". The one remaining FW port on the MBP can be considered Apple's transition until USB 3 becomes available. I seriously doubt the next generation MBP will have FW.

Apple have made a commercial and not a sentimental decision. As irritated as I am; I can't, as a shareholder fault their logic.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 08:33:18 pm »

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!  It's kind of like that box of zip drives and SyQuest drives that I held onto for years before pitching them in the trash.

Seriously folks, I think that the new MBP are awesome. I ordered the top of the range 15 with a 320 GB drive.

Anyone want to buy a maxed out MBP 15" (early 2007 vintage)?

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