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« on: September 02, 2008, 09:54:51 am »

"Hey Ted,

    Its 130 AM and I just got back from a shoot. During the shoot a two-bit hack putz photographer that I was working with damaged my 5D.Without my permission (I was shooting video and stepped away from my camera bag) the photographer grabbed my camera because his stopped working. Apparently he changed CF cards and his stopped working, he then took my card out and put his in. My camera then stopped working
    as well. Turns out a pin in the CF card slot was bent by a fucked up card. He jammed the cards in trying to get them to work. I can see the bent pin in my card and could see his as well. My camera will not read cards. His one redeeming factor is he took responsibility and another assistant will back me up in that it is his fault and that he took my camera without permission.

    I realize Im in a slight panic right now. I'll take a breath.


    Anyway, what would you recommend I do next?"



...you mean AFTER you kill the bastard, right?

(email from one of my ex-students... you know, in any garage or machine shop in the land, if you TOUCH another mechanic's tools, it will be the last tool you touch, with that hand anyway... )
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2008, 10:21:55 am »

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"Hey Ted,

    Its 130 AM and I just got back from a shoot. During the shoot a two-bit hack putz photographer that I was working with damaged my 5D.Without my permission (I was shooting video and stepped away from my camera bag) the photographer grabbed my camera because his stopped working. Apparently he changed CF cards and his stopped working, he then took my card out and put his in. My camera then stopped working
    as well. Turns out a pin in the CF card slot was bent by a fucked up card. He jammed the cards in trying to get them to work. I can see the bent pin in my card and could see his as well. My camera will not read cards. His one redeeming factor is he took responsibility and another assistant will back me up in that it is his fault and that he took my camera without permission.

    I realize Im in a slight panic right now. I'll take a breath.
    Anyway, what would you recommend I do next?"

...you mean AFTER you kill the bastard, right?

(email from one of my ex-students... you know, in any garage or machine shop in the land, if you TOUCH another mechanic's tools, it will be the last tool you touch, with that hand anyway... )
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So, other than reconfirming the the ubiquity of rudeness and stupidity, what are we to learn from this post?

Sometimes, an old-fashion Kentucky a-- whipping is just what the doctor ordered.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 10:43:32 am »

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what are we to learn from this post?

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I, for one, am still trying to figure that out.  "Lock your gear bag"?  "Dont trust anyone"?

I still haven't quite got past the disbelief that a fellow "professional" would do that to a $3000+ piece of equipment that wasn't his.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2008, 11:28:11 am »

Ted, your "pro" buddy is a terd, and a big one at that.  DON'T work with the idiot again...he has character issues, and I suspect he's one of those jpg-only shooters too!
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 07:55:54 pm »

I had a friend ruin a cheap camera that way, even after I specifically instructed on CF cards and bent pins.  I really don't understand how a real professional would not know that the pins in the camera can be bent that way.  Must not be a real pro - no experience with CF card slots.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 10:20:32 pm »

As to "what to do now," chances are that the bent pin will break with an attempt to bend it back into place, even if you take the camera apart to get to it.  (Also, the critical nature of the pin spacing makes bending it back into place unlikely.)

So, the connector to which the pins are attached will probably need to be replaced.  Problem with that is the connector is likely soldered onto a main circuit board, possibly a multi-layer circuit board.  It may be difficult to find a shop willing to attempt such a repair.  In the latter case, the entire circuit board may require replacement.

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings; and I hope that I am wrong...
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 10:35:45 pm »

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I, for one, am still trying to figure that out.  "Lock your gear bag"?  "Dont trust anyone"?

I still haven't quite got past the disbelief that a fellow "professional" would do that to a $3000+ piece of equipment that wasn't his.
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Someone once said (for an offense much greater than what you experienced) "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

Applying that (and, never letting them touch your gear again) might be a good place to start!  

Phil
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 11:22:16 pm »

Have the offending photog pay for service on the 5D.  If you need a 5D while yours is being fixed, he should pick up the cost for renting one.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2008, 11:58:58 pm »

And when he refuses, that's what your insurance and small claims court is for.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 01:51:46 am »

The lesson is CF cards are too fragile.  SD cards would have no such problem.

Sorry and ducking now. :-)
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 12:08:53 pm »

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The lesson is CF cards are too fragile.  SD cards would have no such problem.
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Actually the cards are nearly indestructable.  The cameras with the bendable pins are the fragile component.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 12:13:59 pm »

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The lesson is CF cards are too fragile.  SD cards would have no such problem.

Sorry and ducking now. :-)
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Sure! Just try jamming an SD card into a 5D and see what happens.  

I suggest a conspicuous notice on all camera bags: "If you value your kneecaps, you will NOT touch this bag or any of its contents."
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 01:28:43 pm »

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The lesson is CF cards are too fragile.  SD cards would have no such problem.

Sorry and ducking now. :-)
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no need to duck, I actually came to the same conclusion...  (LUVIN my Canon G9!)  

UPDATE:
Student got an estimate for $275 for the repair.  Currently arguing with Idiot about how Idiot will pay.  (Seems simple enough...  Idiot writes check for Estimate to Repair Shop, duh?  Well that's why he's an Idiot.)

but get this:  Idiot wants MY EMAIL because he doesn't understand the advice I'm giving Student.  I told my student, tell that idiot he sincerely does not want me to know who he is, and CERTAINLY does not want to hear my opinion of him.  

OUCH!

(LOVE the kneecap comment, too...  I believe I first saw that on a mechanics tool box next to the nekkid chick photo.)
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 02:44:20 pm »

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As to "what to do now," chances are that the bent pin will break with an attempt to bend it back into place, even if you take the camera apart to get to it.  (Also, the critical nature of the pin spacing makes bending it back into place unlikely.)

So, the connector to which the pins are attached will probably need to be replaced.  Problem with that is the connector is likely soldered onto a main circuit board, possibly a multi-layer circuit board.  It may be difficult to find a shop willing to attempt such a repair.  In the latter case, the entire circuit board may require replacement.

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings; and I hope that I am wrong...
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Pins can be straightened, IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. It does require disassembly.

I strongly recommend against dismantling your gear unless you know what you are doing at every level. Anti static mats and straps are a must. ESD safe solder stations are also a must. You can get yourself in deep trouble real quick with one wrong move.

Most, but not all, CF card reader pin assemblies are on a sub-assembly in the high end cameras. Most consumer cameras have the pins soldered to the main board and a skilled tech can change out individual pins. Main board replacement requires the manufacturer' proprietary interfaces and adjustment software, usually found only at authorized shops.

CF cards and pins do require a bit more attention to what you are doing. I've never damaged pins in the nine years of using them. If you do break a pin, remove the battery immediately, as the loose pin can migrate to an IC and blow the thing up.

And if a card becomes damaged do not continue to use it.

And while on the subject of user repairs, resist the urge to use any lubricant of any sort on any part of a modern camera or lens. Most techs tack on an extra idiot fee for equipment that's been tampered with.

SD cards may be harder, though not impossible, to damage, but sure are easier to lose.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 04:25:15 pm »

Do what I do (don`t have any friends in photography )...............Now bugger off you lot........LOL

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2008, 08:10:25 am »

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Actually the cards are nearly indestructable.  The cameras with the bendable pins are the fragile component.
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Whether card or camera, the use of CF cards involves bendable pins, and they're on the expensive side of the hardware interface.  I too like the SD cards my DMR uses (have not lost one yet).
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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2008, 04:55:07 pm »

This could be an ad for business insurance!

My policy covers damage by an assistant (replacement value).

Hill & Usher

http://packagechoice.com/
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2008, 06:25:50 pm »

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This could be an ad for business insurance!

My policy covers damage by an assistant (replacement value).

Hill & Usher

http://packagechoice.com/
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How true!  Thanks for the link...  I'll pass it on to the kid.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2008, 06:47:52 pm »

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...he then took my card out and put his in. My camera then stopped working as well.
This guy has weak boundaries.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2008, 01:46:37 pm »

Final report:

"Anyway, went well, the guy sent me her check, camera is being worked on now and I will have it back before my trip.

Thanks again for the advice old man."
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