rinting using baryta papers : dye or pigment ink?

[Chris13]

Hello
I plan to buy an EPSON A3+ printer.
With baryta papers, which printer would be the best to print color photographs :
dye printer R1400 or pigment printer 2880?
I heard that dye ink will have no bronzing and the more "photographic" look.
Regards

[colinm]

Dye also won't last—if you just want nice prints, dye and pigment both work.

If you want pictures that last, pigment's going to be your better bet. And with the current range of papers and inks, IMO, it's not really even worth worrying about bronzing and gloss differential.

[mmurph]

The longevity of the Claria dye inks in the 1400 are quite good.  Around 100 years, almost as good as pigment. The ozone numbers are still a bit low, I think it was 9 to 15 years? Forget the exact number.

I would not hesitate to use the 1400. Yes, better gloss, less gloss differential, less metamerism, less bronzing than the pigments. Although the pigments are very good.

The dyes are not quite as good on matte in some cases.  With the new fiber papers, many are abandoning matte printing.

Both good solutions to be honest.

[neil snape]

I don't know about the Epson dye 1400 and the image quality on Baryta. I do know that the majority of other dye printers that I have either custom profiled, or simply downloaded the ICC profiles for are weak in  dMAx, too much so to be considered for FA printing on.

The Epson Claria dyes are stable, but not any more than HP , the HP inks being around for a long time already. Yet don't put the behind glass or in an album as  a general indicator of lightfastness in the same vain as pigments. They are only adequate for general non mounted prints, no where near as good as pigments. IF you use dyes either they have to be glass mounted or coated with a spray to have any considerable permanence.

[Ernst Dinkla]

I don't know about the Epson dye 1400 and the image quality on Baryta.
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Claria today is used in CcMmYK printers at best. There still are the issues with grey neutrality and metamerism related to 6 ink models. Dye inks are not by definition metamerism free. The Lyson Small Gamut dye inks were horrible. Whether Claria is actually a dye ink or something in between has been discussed before but if it gives the same images a dye ink will create on different papers that's more a theoretical discussion.


Ernst Dinkla

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[Mark D Segal]

Hello
I plan to buy an EPSON A3+ printer.
With baryta papers, which printer would be the best to print color photographs :
dye printer R1400 or pigment printer 2880?
I heard that dye ink will have no bronzing and the more "photographic" look.
Regards
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Epson's recent pigment inksets have comparatively very good gamut - the dye advantage in this respect has either narrowed extensively or pretty much disappeared. For longevity, if that matters, go pigment. Amongst the pigment printers check the 3800 - you get a huge amount of ink for the price, so the net cost of the machine is quite low. It produces excellent quality on the new baryta papers. In chosing a printer, the variables - apart from price - are recurrent operating costs (be mindful of future cost per ml of ink considering the size and price of cartridges it uses and your work volume), the maximum width relative to your requirements, and whether or not it takes roll paper (again relative to your requirements).

[Chris13]

Thansk for all
Longevity is not an issue for me.
I wonder again if dye inks would be better (or equivalent) to pigments inks.
Do you know any website which make inkjet printing on baryta papers?

[neil snape]

So far all the Baryta papers will accept dye inks, albeit I don't see the results as being as good as pigments.
Harman, Ilford Silk, Sihl, Hahnemuhle, all have a selection of Baryta now. The most expensive is Harman, the cheapest Ilford.

[Mark D Segal]

Thansk for all
Longevity is not an issue for me.
I wonder again if dye inks would be better (or equivalent) to pigments inks.
Do you know any website which make inkjet printing on baryta papers?
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What do you mean by "better"?

The only testing of Baryta papers with which I have been involved (on this website) or seen all use pigment inks. If I'm not mistaken, these papers are formulated primarily for pigment inksets. You may wish to consult the manufacturers' website for further recommendations on the inks that are most compatible with their papers.

[Chris13]

By better I mean (for baryta papers, print color only):
less bronzing?
less metamerism?
more glossy?
more saturated?
greater gamut?
I can live with less print longevity.
Thank you

[Mark D Segal]

By better I mean (for baryta papers, print color only):
less bronzing?
less metamerism?
more glossy?
more saturated?
greater gamut?
I can live with less print longevity.
Thank you
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OK, with the latest generation of Epson K3 inks and the printers which use them, the recent baryta papers - in particular Ilford Gold FIbre Silk which I use as my standard now - you won't get bronzing or metamerism; how much gloss you see depends on the angle at which you view the print relative to the angle from which the light strikes the paper. Normally, so see the photograph you want to angle the print to avoid reflections altogether; gamut and saturation for this paper and inket combination is - I believe - "the best yet". I don't know whether you live in the Toronto area, but if you do, hop down to CCBC and ask them to show you my "vaccuum cleaner" image. I have no commercial connections at all with anyone - but I buy my supplies there; I gave them a copy of this rather unique image so they can show others what the paper and the inkset does. I think it's quite remarkable.

[GKN]

Take a look at the Ilford document and note the comments (albeit with little explanantion of what "best" means) - the Galerie Gold Fibre Silk is their Baryta paper

http://www.ilford.com/en/pdf/prods/galerie/correctpaper.pdf