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« on: May 09, 2007, 01:05:07 pm »

including prices...here
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 05:18:55 pm »

No price just for the camera and lenses yet!
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 05:28:09 pm »

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unless you already have a sinar back it does not make a lot of sense to buy only the camera? and the lens prices are all over the web.....b&h, etc,....

the Hy6/evolution 75 price is pretty ok...i am assuming that also includes the 80mm....as expected, the camera is almost free with the back....
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 05:56:57 pm »

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Thank you very much for the link.

It it is a very interesting that they mentioned Sinaron lens  for Hy6 in the press release.
Does it mean we can hope to have a Tilt/Shift sollution or a wider lens in the future?
And I liked this: "The Sinar Hy6 can be operated either by using the controls on the camera or remotely via computer by using the Sinar CaptureShop™ software, a key feature for studio photographers." I tried Capture Shop with a Sinar-M and a Sinaron AF lens and I was impressed with the combo. Full exposure control with very fast and accurate Auto Focus was very easy. I just hope to have the same functionality with the less expencive Hy6.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2007, 06:50:08 pm »

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unless you already have a sinar back it does not make a lot of sense to buy only the camera? and the lens prices are all over the web.....b&h, etc,....

the Hy6/evolution 75 price is pretty ok...i am assuming that also includes the 80mm....as expected, the camera is almost free with the back....
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Now we have to wait for the Phase back - it's Phase and Contax or Phase and Rollei for me.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2007, 07:16:31 pm »

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Now we have to wait for the Phase back - it's Phase and Contax or Phase and Rollei for me.

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are you starting THAT again.....

i am looking forward to that as well.....
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 09:59:21 am »

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Well, the press release just issued by Sinar Bron "announcing" the release of the first Hy6 models from Sinar with US pricing provide another spin on the "open" architecture of the Hy6. It indicates that it is "open" in the sense that that it is natively a 6x6 format camera in which you will be able to use larger sensors in the future by just dropping them in. Sure, just like a CF card.  The only thing scarier than Sinar making the statement is that there are doubtless people who will believe it. I also note that the first two models of the Hy6 announced are LV models. Are these not multi-shot models without LCD screens?

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2007, 10:24:48 am »

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Well, the press release just issued by Sinar Bron "announcing" the release of the first Hy6 models from Sinar with US pricing provide another spin on the "open" architecture of the Hy6. It indicates that it is "open" in the sense that that it is natively a 6x6 format camera in which you will be able to use larger sensors in the future by just dropping them in. Sure, just like a CF card.  The only thing scarier than Sinar making the statement is that there are doubtless people who will believe it. I also note that the first two models of the Hy6 announced are LV models. Are these not multi-shot models without LCD screens?
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The LV units are updates to the Emotion backs.   So they are self contained backs with screens, CF cards and internal memory.  

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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2007, 12:04:34 pm »

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The only thing scarier than Sinar making the statement is that there are doubtless people who will believe it.

I don't have any insider knowledge but check out the posts by Juergen in this thread: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00L5rr

He seems pretty confident that something's coming. Up to you if you want to believe it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2007, 01:20:07 pm »

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Well, the press release just issued by Sinar Bron "announcing" the release of the first Hy6 models from Sinar with US pricing provide another spin on the "open" architecture of the Hy6. It indicates that it is "open" in the sense that that it is natively a 6x6 format camera in which you will be able to use larger sensors in the future by just dropping them in. Sure, just like a CF card.  The only thing scarier than Sinar making the statement is that there are doubtless people who will believe it. I also note that the first two models of the Hy6 announced are LV models. Are these not multi-shot models without LCD screens?
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you really think that we will not see sensors larger then the ones out now? anyone looking into a DMF system is surely thinking at least 5-10 years ahead and i would bet that there will be a chip that will be really "full frame" (or at least bigger then todays) MF within that timeframe. the Hy6 already has the lenses (they all cover 6x6) and it is built to shoot horizontal/vertical....so it must have been a very easy (and smart) choice for them to not shave off a couple of millimeters and keep the platform OPEN to accept future technologies....

you might not believe it, bu there are a LOT of people still out there waiting to use their RZs without having to break into tears because of the crop....i am already used to it, so no tears here...i would not be surprised to see a slightly larger chip within 2 years...i wonder how hasselblad users would feel about that....i guess hass would simply have to let them trade up to their H4D....

not sure how i feel about sinar/rollei/f&h changing their meaning of open, but i really don't see any hype or misleading information in that press release......

i think the LV stands for Live View and those backs are completely self contained with (very nice) screens....
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2007, 01:42:09 pm »

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you really think that we will not see sensors larger then the ones out now? anyone looking into a DMF system is surely thinking at least 5-10 years ahead and i would bet that there will be a chip that will be really "full frame" (or at least bigger then todays) MF within that timeframe. the Hy6 already has the lenses (they all cover 6x6) and it is built to shoot horizontal/vertical....so it must have been a very easy (and smart) choice for them to not shave off a couple of millimeters and keep the platform OPEN to accept future technologies....

you might not believe it, bu there are a LOT of people still out there waiting to use their RZs without having to break into tears because of the crop....i am already used to it, so no tears here...i would not be surprised to see a slightly larger chip within 2 years...i wonder how hasselblad users would feel about that....i guess hass would simply have to let them trade up to their H4D....

not sure how i feel about sinar/rollei/f&h changing their meaning of open, but i really don't see any hype or misleading information in that press release......

i think the LV stands for Live View and those backs are completely self contained with (very nice) screens....
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Of course there will be bigger sensors. Only some 5 years ago people were asking themselves whether there would be sensors larger than 24x36.

BTW, There was one 6x6 sensor already, made by Dicomed (the Dicomed bigshot).
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2007, 02:45:11 pm »

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not sure how i feel about sinar/rollei/f&h changing their meaning of open, but i really don't see any hype or misleading information in that press release......
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We surely have different standards as to what is misleading and inappropriate hype. In a press release of several paragraphs announcing the Hy6 and its major new features, Sinar chooses to talk about the future adaptability of the 6x6 format of the camera to accomodate future advances in sensor design as if they can be dropped in like CF cards, with no idea in hell about future availability or price. (Dalsa has very big sensors available now if you have a few extra $ million lying around.) This is the same "open architecture" that in the last press release I saw talked about the ability to use different MFDBs on the Hy6. I understand that there should be double standards for Hasselblad and everyone else, but even you must marvel privately at this level of double-speak from Sinar.

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2007, 03:11:51 pm »

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not sure how i feel about sinar/rollei/f&h changing their meaning of open, but i really don't see any hype or misleading information in that press release......
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We surely have different standards as to what is misleading and inappropriate hype. In a press release of several paragraphs announcing the Hy6 and its major new features, Sinar chooses to talk about the future adaptability of the 6x6 format of the camera to accomodate future advances in sensor design as if they can be dropped in like CF cards, with no idea in hell about future availability or price. (Dalsa has very big sensors available now if you have a few extra $ million lying around.) This is the same "open architecture" that in the last press release I saw talked about the ability to use different MFDBs on the Hy6. I understand that there should be double standards for Hasselblad and everyone else, but even you must marvel privately at this level of double-speak from Sinar.
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i don't think there is anything left to discuss about the OPEN ness of the Hy6.......it does support sinar and hass backs, leaf will have its own camera and for all of us waitng for the phase solution, i am sure there will be one....sorry thierry...i am incurably romantic

i still don't really see what the hype is saying that they are bringing a camera to the market which will be able to accomodate future (larger) sensors....i think you are the only one who sees somekind of promise of a "drop in" CF card sensor.....you are reading a bit too much into it, i am afraid....

i have said this before but i think that it was simply very smart to come out with a camera body now that can accept a back that will come out in 2-3 years....again it really was a no-brainer for F&H since the lenses are already in place and there would really have been no reason to make the whole system smaller.....another very smart idea was the inclusion of the usb port for easy updates.....simple and smart.....hope it works....
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2007, 03:38:45 pm »

I'd love to see a bigger sensor. Wouldn't you?

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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2007, 05:56:03 pm »

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Not really. It would be way down the list of MY priorities. I am far more interested in (1) an extended dynamic range for MF sensors, (2) files that look as good out of the camera with no post-processing as my 6x7 Astia/Velvia transparencies look on a light table, (3) a MF tilt/shift lens for the H series cameras, and (4)access to Lightroom for RAW conversions with no fall off in quality. I have no doubt that a bigger sensor is technically possible, but I just do not think the market is going to go there. Too little demand for such a product to bring the production costs into line with a price point at which such a product could be sold in the marketplace. We'll see. In the meantime, I believe you should buy based upon a system's capabilities today, not what may or may not come down the road.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2007, 05:58:48 pm »

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I would.  Most definitely.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2007, 06:20:10 pm »

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Not really. It would be way down the list of MY priorities. I am far more interested in (1) an extended dynamic range for MF sensors, (2) files that look as good out of the camera with no post-processing as my 6x7 Astia/Velvia transparencies look on a light table, (3) a MF tilt/shift lens for the H series cameras, and (4)access to Lightroom for RAW conversions with no fall off in quality. I have no doubt that a bigger sensor is technically possible, but I just do not think the market is going to go there. Too little demand for such a product to bring the production costs into line with a price point at which such a product could be sold in the marketplace. We'll see. In the meantime, I believe you should buy based upon a system's capabilities today, not what may or may not come down the road.
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i think that your #1 would (and will)be easier to achieve with a larger sensor (and larger pixels)....
#2 don't know which back you have, but that is the first thing people like about the P30....just great looking files out of the camera.....#3 any back that mounts on a H system should work on a view camera which gives you all the movements you could ever ask for.....#4 again P30 files (or P45) open perfectly in LR, i don't use C1 anymore at all......only to shoot tethered, but i still shoot into LR.....

you are right about production costs, but 5-6 years ago the top of the line chip was 24x36....and today we are twice that big.....it comes down to the same problem canon will have....how many pixels can you squeeze out of a give size sensor.....i think you will have to wait longer for a T/S lens for the H system then a larger sensor....look at this forum....the things people use their view cameras for would most likely not doable with a T/S lens....and in the long run a view camera system might just be cheaper......

my #1 would also be DR but after that a larger sensor would really make me happy.....
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2007, 08:07:42 pm »

hi,

The new SB eMotion 54 LV and 75 LV are not specific Hy6 backs! There are no Hy6 models.

And: the Sinarback eVolution 75 H is available already as well: this is a multshot back.

Hope this clarifies.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2007, 08:14:27 pm »

There is certainly no double standard of speaking from Sinar side: we have said and still say that the Sinar Hy 6 is an open platform system. Open in the meaning that it can accept any digital back, starting by the Sinarbacks and the Leaf backs.

It is not up to Sinar to provide adapters for other DMFB's but the manufacturers of those backs to do their part of the job: it has always been this way around, not the opposite. When Sinar wanted to adapt their SB's to the newly launched H1 WE had to develop, built and manufacture this adapter, not Hasselblad.

So there is certainly not a double standard of speaking.

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This is the same "open architecture" that in the last press release I saw talked about the ability to use different MFDBs on the Hy6. I understand that there should be double standards for Hasselblad and everyone else, but even you must marvel privately at this level of double-speak from Sinar.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2007, 08:17:54 pm »

Paul,

I never said that there will be no Phase solution, but simply that WE Sinar are not providing those adapters and that Phase will not be able to sell this camera. It is up to anyone to decide and make their own choices about adapters to this camera (see my previous post).

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i don't think there is anything left to discuss about the OPEN ness of the Hy6.......it does support sinar and hass backs, leaf will have its own camera and for all of us waitng for the phase solution, i am sure there will be one....sorry thierry...i am incurably romantic

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