Topic: P30+ or H3D with 31MP (Read 12871 times)

stevecoleccs · « **on:** March 13, 2007, 06:09:30 pm »

OK - almost ready to pull the trigger on an MF system - any thoughts
on a H2 with a P30+ -vs- H3D with a 31MP back? I heard 'somewhere'
they are the same chips, so it will come down to software? My workflow
will be Lightroom. Thanks. Most of my shooting is stock lifestyle.

Gary Yeowell · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:48:41 pm »

Steve,

Still don't fancy the Contax/P30+ combo, have you tried the H2 at 1/60th ??

Gary.

stevecoleccs · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:58:48 pm »

Quote from: Gary Yeowell,Mar 13 2007, 05:48 PM

Steve,

Still don't fancy the Contax/P30+ combo, have you tried the H2 at 1/60th ??

Yep - I like the Contax, I use to shoot them with film, I feel I need that leaf
shutter/sync speed, I cannot handhold the H2 at 1/60 due to the mirror
bounce, however I have shot with it yesterday using the 2 sec. self timer,
mirror goes up, waits 2 sec then the shutter fires, not the best for moving
people but actually works well for "my shoots". I can also press one button
that is easy to reach for a mirror lockup too, then shoot.

Gary Yeowell · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2007, 07:05:24 pm »

I can't argue with the sync speed, but it's the one thing i don't need. The 2 sec delay is someting i use on the Contax all the time when tripod bound, however not really necessary for the handholding as 1/60th is easily achievable.

clawery · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2007, 10:14:06 am »

Have you considered an older Hasselblad 500 series w/ a P30+, or do you need the auto-focus?
Don't forget the Mamiya 645 AFD also. It's a bit cheaper and lighter than the H1 or H2.

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

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pss · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2007, 10:37:59 pm »

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OK - almost ready to pull the trigger on an MF system - any thoughts
on a H2 with a P30+ -vs- H3D with a 31MP back? I heard 'somewhere'
they are the same chips, so it will come down to software? My workflow
will be Lightroom. Thanks. Most of my shooting is stock lifestyle.
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don't forget mamiya....they have a deal with phase right now...
also you can use the same back on the 645 and the RZ via adapter (1/400 sync, rotating back,...) i have the P30 and use it on 645 and RZ...works great....

pss · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2007, 10:43:11 pm »

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OK - almost ready to pull the trigger on an MF system - any thoughts
on a H2 with a P30+ -vs- H3D with a 31MP back? I heard 'somewhere'
they are the same chips, so it will come down to software? My workflow
will be Lightroom. Thanks. Most of my shooting is stock lifestyle.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=106525\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

also i think the straight comparison would be between the P30 and the H31....the P30+ will give you one extra stop, a better screen and improvement in color and noise compared to the P30 (which i actually find hard to believe....the P30 is pretty much perfect already...)
nobody (as far as i know) has seen any P+ files, so the claims are not proven yet.....but the way phase usually handles these things...i would be surprised if we won't be blown away......so i would at least wait to see some files and compare, if you think the hass is the way to go....

SeanBK · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:19:56 am »

Hasselblad has started offering a deal.
$5k off H3D-31 or 39 with trade-in H1/H2, plus additional $3k off if you give them another M.F camera, that's total of $8000 off for a new H3D-31 or 39 with 80mm lens, new body & viewfinder. That puts H3D-31 at $18k. I an quite sure Phase one P-31 or P31+ is more than that @ $20k plus the camera & lens. P31/P31+ uses the same sensor as Hassey H3D-31. U decide on your need for higher ISO, ease of Capture software against Flex...... The difference in price buys a lots of Tech help or even a different software.
If you don't have an old H1/H2, than buy old one from eBay. Still one yields a substantial savings.

John_Black · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:33:53 am »

A P30 is $16,990 less $1000 if purchased in a Mamiya 645 AFD mount - and that's list price. You can do better right now since the dealers are clearing their inventory to make way for the new "Plus" backs.

eronald · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:58:13 am »

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A P30 is $16,990 less $1000 if purchased in a Mamiya 645 AFD mount - and that's list price. You can do better right now since the dealers are clearing their inventory to make way for the new "Plus" backs.
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hehe, I suspect a lot of us would really like a P30+ in Hy6 mount ...

Edmund

clawery · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2007, 10:41:06 am »

If you found a H10 on EBay and traded it in on a P30+ it would cost $14,990.00
The same type of trade in on a P45+ would cost $23,990.00

Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com

PHASE ONE PARTNER OF THE YEAR - 2006

SeanBK · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2007, 02:44:25 pm »

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If you found a H10 on EBay and traded it in on a P30+ it would cost $14,990.00
The same type of trade in on a P45+ would cost $23,990.00
Chris Lawery
Sales Manager
Capture Integration

(404)234-5195 Cell
(404)522-7662 Office
(404)522-7929 Fax
www.captureintegration.com
chris@captureintegration.com

PHASE ONE PARTNER OF THE YEAR - 2006
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Thanks Chris, That IS a very good price break offered. Periodically these offers are supported by all the camps of MF backs, but really when one calls the distributer they don't volunteer the breaks. It would be in best interest if periodically people like you should post the offers, as lotsa people are still on the fence, especially on this forum, so please, do post the current prices as the offers do vary from disrtibuters to distributers.

pss · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2007, 02:54:21 pm »

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Thanks Chris, That IS a very good price break offered. Periodically these offers are supported by all the camps of MF backs, but really when one calls the distributer they don't volunteer the breaks. It would be in best interest if periodically people like you should post the offers, as lotsa people are still on the fence, especially on this forum, so please, do post the current prices as the offers do vary from disrtibuters to distributers.
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sean..this is the normal phase pricing...they always take their own backs back and give a substantial discount....the newer the back the more you get....makes the stepping up much easier to digest...
i bought my P30 for quite a bit less...and that was 5 months ago.....

godtfred · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2007, 04:02:41 pm »

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If you found a H10 on EBay and traded it in on a P30+ it would cost $14,990.00
The same type of trade in on a P45+ would cost $23,990.00
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I wonder how much I could get on a Leaf back if i traded in this Leaf Lumina, the seller wants 800 NOK for it (around 150 $)

photograph: Tor Kviljo

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pprdigital · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2007, 04:19:34 pm »

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Thanks Chris, That IS a very good price break offered. Periodically these offers are supported by all the camps of MF backs, but really when one calls the distributer they don't volunteer the breaks. It would be in best interest if periodically people like you should post the offers, as lotsa people are still on the fence, especially on this forum, so please, do post the current prices as the offers do vary from disrtibuters to distributers.
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Current manufacturer trade-in values on the backs we sell:

Leaf
Aptus 75: $1,510 - $9,395 (depending on DB model)
Aptus 65: $1,640 - $3,300 (depending on DB model)
Aptus 54: $905 - $9,620 (depending on DB model)

Hasselblad
H3D-39: $8,000 ($5K - any DB model or H1/H2 camera) plus ($3K - any MF camera model)
H3D-31: $5,000 (any DB model or H1/H2 camera) or $3,000 (any MF camera model)
H3D-22: $5,000 (any DB model)
CF-22/39: $5,000 (any DB model)

Sinar
Sinar eMotion 75: $8,000 (any DB model)
Sinar 54H: $5,000 (any firewire-based Sinar DB)

These are manufacturer trade-in promotions on the above models. Dealers themselves can also add to this trade-in amount via an additional discount just like Phase dealers do.

And yes, Godtfred, we'll take that Lumina.

Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital

godtfred · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2007, 04:43:57 pm »

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Current manufacturer trade-in values on the backs we sell:

Sinar eMotion 75: $8,000 (any DB model)

And yes, Godtfred, we'll take that Lumina.
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Are you telling me one could get a $ 8000,- discount on Sinar eMotion 75, if one traded in a Leaf Lumina bought for $150!

That is a mighty fine deal if the lumina counts as a DB, too bad I'm stuck in my HB-39 system (but Im not complaining about that... only the price I paid. )

-axel (Godtfred)

pss · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2007, 05:12:15 pm »

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I wonder how much I could get on a Leaf back if i traded in this Leaf Lumina, the seller wants 800 NOK for it (around 150 $)

photograph: Tor Kviljo

http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bruktmarked/visAnnonse.cgi?id=77027
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most accept ANY dback for trade in...they want you to buy into their system, so you step up with them....and some dealers will tell you to go on ebay to get a cheap back....and some even have some old backs laying around that they will trade in for you (for a small price...of course less the savings..)...

DSaffir · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2007, 12:27:00 am »

One of the biggest things with MF digital is the software - I am pretty sure you can download demo versions of both the Phase and Imacon/Hassie applications - why not test drive a little and see what you see?

David Saffir

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OK - almost ready to pull the trigger on an MF system - any thoughts
on a H2 with a P30+ -vs- H3D with a 31MP back? I heard 'somewhere'
they are the same chips, so it will come down to software? My workflow
will be Lightroom. Thanks. Most of my shooting is stock lifestyle.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=106525\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

pprdigital · « **Reply #18 on:** March 16, 2007, 09:15:01 am »

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One of the biggest things with MF digital is the software - I am pretty sure you can download demo versions of both the Phase and Imacon/Hassie applications - why not test drive a little and see what you see?

David Saffir
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Actually, downloading Flexcolor requires a serial number, but for anyone that wants to take it for a spin, you could contact me offline and I'll get you a copy, along with a sample image to work with.

Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital

Henry Goh · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2007, 09:17:54 am »

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Actually, downloading Flexcolor requires a serial number, but for anyone that wants to take it for a spin, you could contact me offline and I'll get you a copy, along with a sample image to work with.

Steve Hendrix
PPR Digital
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Steve,

Like to take you up on that if you don't mind...
my email is henryhcgoh<at>gmail.com

If you could send me a link...that will be great...

Thanks again.

Henry

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