Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6 7 ... 17   Go Down

Author Topic: Religious Freedom Act  (Read 113617 times)

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2015, 01:46:36 pm »

The problem is, certain groups have already decided it is, and are now showing it down everyone else's throats.
Well it is. It's pretty obvious too if you care to look at the evidence. Including the Governor's embarrassing multiple dodging of the questions asked of him Sunday by George Stephanopoulos. Bonehead was asked 6 times the simple question he refused to answer about the role of the new law and discrimination! The law he singed was great until this useful debate, now he's going to 'fix' it or so he says. If it's so fine, if there's no lick of discrimination possibility, what's he got to fix? Look, he and the state legislators got caught with their pants down. They will back peddle as they should. Whatever the intent of the law, it doesn't clearly limit discrimination. That's the bottom line.
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

mkihne

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 83
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2015, 01:47:22 pm »

Digitaldog, you are admonishing responders to discuss the topic at hand or leave. I would implore you to do the same. Your posts have evolved into personal attacks which are usually a last resort of a lost argument. You have offered some good points. Don't loose their value. I think you are better than that.

After the last post just previous to this...........nevermind.  ;D
Logged

AlterEgo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1995
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #82 on: April 01, 2015, 01:47:53 pm »

A law has been introduced to allow discrimination.
affirmative action does
Logged

mkihne

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 83
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2015, 01:50:48 pm »

Tut, tut..............no logic or fact allowed.  ;D
Logged

AlterEgo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 1995
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2015, 01:51:40 pm »

does digitaldog think that an owner of a shop can established some rules prohibiting certain behavior in his shop - like no kissing between males or between females while on his property ?
Logged

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2015, 02:04:36 pm »

Digitaldog, you are admonishing responders to discuss the topic at hand or leave.
Yup, if they don't like that the owner of this free site has produced an essay of his choosing, one that no one is forced to read, reply or agree with, they should leave.
I'm fine with the opposing view. Even if that suggest a bigoted view. I'm not fine with folks bitching that this discussion doesn't belong here because it's a photo site when the person making the post/essay owns it, and it's discussed in a forum that has no obvious hooks to photography (Rantatorials).

You don't like this topic, leave.
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

PeterAit

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3188
    • Peter Aitken Photographs
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2015, 02:13:24 pm »

Right, he's the only columnist named David Brooks. Wrong again. I'm aware of both (and more).
You'd serve your arguments more weight if you actually outlined who you're talking about instead of just lazily writing:Your inability at reading posts is also being called out as I clearly wrote with emphasis:
IF this is the Shutterbug magazine guy...
Got Google? Use it to find the definition of the word IF.
Really!!

So, Shutterbug columnists regularly write about political issues? No.

And if you really knew the NYT columnist David Brooks (which it is clear that you do not), then you would certainly know it is him I was talking about. And, you would go read his column and respond to what he wrote instead of hurling ignorant insults at me.
Logged
Peter
"Science does not care what you believe" - unknown

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2015, 02:18:28 pm »

So, Shutterbug columnists regularly write about political issues? No.
Doesn't get you off the hook for sloppy writing. So, LuLa columnists regularly write about political issues? Yes indeed.
Quote
And if you really knew the NYT columnist David Brooks (which it is clear that you do not), then you would certainly know it is him I was talking about.
Right, that's why I put emphasis on the IF you missed again. Or that I am aware, as I wrote, of that other David Brooks named columnist, not that it excuses your poor behavior.
Quote
And, you would go read his column and respond to what he wrote instead of hurling ignorant insults at me.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. But at least you're being consistent in these forums with such posts.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 02:21:01 pm by digitaldog »
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

mkihne

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 83
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2015, 02:22:37 pm »

Digitaldog.

I am fine with Kevin's post. He's a big boy and I am sure he is well aware of where things can go. It's even in the proper topic...Rants.  I think many, including myself, have experience on other boards as to what can happen if you bring in religion and politics, the metaphorical lightning rods. You are, however, the pot calling the kettle black(I say that at the risk of bringing race into the discussion, however small..... possibly the third leg of the lightning rod). Your apparent intolerance of any discussion you find offensive ruins the whole premise of a reasonable discussion of the topic, with others coming close as well. I would submit without truly knowing that the basis for the law is that it is an attempt to prevent tolerance from being shoved down someone's throat....ruining the very definition of tolerance(it is only tolerance if I believe it to be). JMHO

P.S. Kevin..............you should be able to raise your advertising rates after this thread reaches old age.  ;D
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 02:32:00 pm by mkihne »
Logged

Diego Pigozzo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 663
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2015, 02:33:01 pm »

Indeed. The irony is that the group which has been pleading  for years for tolerance and acceptance is now militantly intolerant to any differing views.
Do bigots really expect to be respected?
Really?
Logged
When I grow up I want to be a photographer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/diegopig/

mkihne

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 83
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2015, 02:34:15 pm »

^^^^^^I give you the very definition of intolerance.
Logged

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #91 on: April 01, 2015, 02:35:41 pm »

Well at least one state got a clue half an hour ago:
http://news.yahoo.com/arkansas-governor-sends-religion-bill-back-rewrite-155537800--finance.html
Most telling:
Quote
Twenty U.S. states and the federal government have RFRAs, which allow individuals to sue the government if they believe their First Amendment religious rights have been violated.
But those in Indiana and Arkansas go further than all but one of the state laws, allowing lawsuits between private parties. That raised the possibility that businesses such as florists or photographers could use the law as a defense if they are sued for refusing to provide services for same-sex weddings. Texas is the only other state with a similar provision.
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

NancyP

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2513
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #92 on: April 01, 2015, 02:49:41 pm »

Re: David Brooks
I interpreted the Shutterbug comment as an April Fool's comment.
Logged

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #93 on: April 01, 2015, 03:11:00 pm »

Re: David Brooks
I interpreted the Shutterbug comment as an April Fool's comment.
Exactly  ;)
Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

PeterAit

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3188
    • Peter Aitken Photographs
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2015, 04:09:31 pm »


You don't like this topic, leave.


Yes, people can leave - but that's the potential problem, as I see it. Do Michael and Kevin really want people leaving LuLa because it is getting cluttered with non-photographic material (Coffee Corner aside)? I can't speak for them, of course, but I cannot believe that's what they want. This is a terrific photography site, one I visit almost every day. It's taught me a lot, and part of that is because of the diversity of people on the forums - all of whom have one thing, and one thing only, in common: an interest in photography. Politics are important, but they belong elsewhere.
Logged
Peter
"Science does not care what you believe" - unknown

Diego Pigozzo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 663
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2015, 04:12:44 pm »

Politics are important, but they belong elsewhere.
It belongs elsewhere only if you believe that a photography is the product of the camera and not of the photographer.
Logged
When I grow up I want to be a photographer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/diegopig/

Slobodan Blagojevic

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15317
  • When everyone thinks the same, nobody thinks
    • My website
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #96 on: April 01, 2015, 04:16:14 pm »

Do bigots really expect to be respected?
Really?

Since you like to play with hypotheticals,  what is next in your logic? You and digitaldog jointly form brownshirts to teach bigots a lesson in tolerance?

digitaldog

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 15800
    • http://www.digitaldog.net/
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #97 on: April 01, 2015, 04:17:21 pm »

Yes, people can leave - but that's the potential problem, as I see it. Do Michael and Kevin really want people leaving LuLa because it is getting cluttered with non-photographic material (Coffee Corner aside)?
IF they felt that was a burning issue, they probably wouldn’t post such essay's as they have. 2nd, since none of this per se generates money because everyone here got in free, I'm not sure what downside exists for them. If their advertisers make a stink, that's a different story (knowing Michael pretty well, Kevin less so, I suspect they would tell them to piss-off anyway).
We know how and why this discussion started. If people don't like Kevin's opinions and politics and leave for that reason alone, that's their call and likely their loss.  

Logged
Andrew Rodney
Author “Color Management for Photographers"

Diego Pigozzo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 663
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2015, 04:20:01 pm »

Since you like to play with hypotheticals,  what is next in your logic? You and digitaldog jointly form brownshirts to teach bigots a lesson in tolerance?

For some reason, I suspected then even "Do bigots really expect to be respected?" was too hard a question to answer for you.
How low one as to go to get an answer people like you?
"What time is it?" or lower?



Logged
When I grow up I want to be a photographer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/diegopig/

Diego Pigozzo

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 663
Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2015, 04:22:19 pm »

...2nd, since none of this per se generates money because everyone here got in free, I'm not sure what downside exists for them. ..
One thing must be said: even if there was an economic downsize, not all people are money-driven.

Logged
When I grow up I want to be a photographer.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/diegopig/
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6 7 ... 17   Go Up