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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2015, 04:27:17 pm »

For some reason, I suspected then even "Do bigots really expect to be respected?" was too hard a question to answer for you.

Not hard to answer at all. The answer is: absolutely! Their (and everyone else's)  right to have an opinion and express it, even when we do not agree with it, shell be absolutely respected. That is the very essence of tolerance: peaceful coexistence of differences.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2015, 04:31:27 pm »

Not hard to answer at all. The answer is: absolutely! Their (and everyone else's)  right to have an opinion and express it, even when we do not agree with it, shell be absolutely respected. That is the very essence of tolerance: peaceful coexistence of differences.
Really bigots expect to be respected?
Well, I think that not unexpected from simple minds like their.
I mean, they implement discrimination but pretend respect.
Is like be a KKK member and whining about being called racist.

But you say they not only they expect to be respected: you're saying they DESERVED to be respected.

So you should also say that neo-nazists deserve to be respected, and racists too.

Are you saying that neo-nazists and racists deserve to be respected?






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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2015, 04:41:53 pm »

... Are you saying that neo-nazists and racists deserve to be respected

I clearly said everyone's right to have an opinion and express it, even when we do not agree with it, shell be absolutely respected. Is that so hard to comprehend for you? Yes, that includes racist, neo-nazis, zionists, and whatever group you want. And surprise, surprise, all those groups are legal in the U.S. As long as they obey the law, their right to their own opinion shall be respected.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #103 on: April 01, 2015, 04:47:04 pm »

I clearly said everyone's right to have an opinion and express it, even when we do not agree with it, shell be absolutely respected.
Nope, they don't have to be respected. What's to respect about the idea of genocide? Now they may believe in and have respected opinions about climate change, raw processing and other areas of discussion but the idea of both genocide or racism never IMHO deserve any respect.

As Linda Holmes of NPR wrote in 2010, “The First Amendment doesn’t guarantee that speaking your mind will have no economic consequences. … Because the ‘free’ in that concept means ‘free from government interference,’ not ‘free from consequences.’ ”
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #104 on: April 01, 2015, 04:47:34 pm »

I clearly said everyone's right to have an opinion and express it, even when we do not agree with it, shell be absolutely respected. Is that so hard to comprehend for you? Yes, that includes racist, neo-nazis, zionists, and whatever group you want. And surprise, surprise, alls those groups are legal in the U.S. As long as they obey the law, their right to their own opinion shall be respected.

Now I can see how you can be so wrong: you can't tell the difference between freedom of speech and respect.
Respecting freedom of speech DOES NOT equate to respecting the person expressing the opinion.

Do you respect neo-nazists or racists?
Or do you think they are full of it?


Freedom of speech means you can say everything it's legal to say.
Respect (or lack of) means you will be judged for what you say.



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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #105 on: April 01, 2015, 04:49:10 pm »

As Linda Holmes of NPR wrote in 2010, “The First Amendment doesn’t guarantee that speaking your mind will have no economic consequences. … Because the ‘free’ in that concept means ‘free from government interference,’ not ‘free from consequences.’ ”

You couldn't have been more clear.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #106 on: April 01, 2015, 04:53:33 pm »

Now I can see how you can be so wrong: you can't tell the difference between freedom of speech and respect.
Don't get too frustrated with Slobodan. This discussion has a lot of levels of interpretation and subjectivity. Imagine trying to convince Slobodan about something he disagrees about that is totally based on color science (our little debate about color gamut a few months back) where there's no gray area, the science is clear but Slobodan would prefer to argue it.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2015, 04:55:53 pm »

... As Linda Holmes of NPR...

And she (whoever she is) is the supreme authority on the subject because...?

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2015, 04:56:37 pm »

Don't get too frustrated with Slobodan.
Don't worry, I dont and I won't: after all the years I've spent bashing far worse bigots, my skin has tickened a lot on this kind of things.


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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2015, 04:57:08 pm »

And she (whoever she is) is the supreme authority on the subject because...?
Because she gets the meaning of "free" in "freedom of speech" and you don't.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2015, 05:00:19 pm »

... Respect (or lack of) means you will be judged for what you say.

I do not mind being judged by the likes of you. I actually respect your right to judge me. That is a matter of thought and speech.

What I do not respect is your clearly stated intention to take action to "starve me to death." In that sense you are a social terrorist, not much different from ISIS.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2015, 05:03:15 pm »

And she (whoever she is) is the supreme authority on the subject because...?
You're too much, what she wrote IS accurate. If you don't understand the basis of the First Amendment, we can't help you. Or, if you are such an expert on the law, please tell us what Holmes wrote that's incorrect instead of suggesting she's no authority to dismiss it outright as you just did.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2015, 05:03:45 pm »

The sad part of this page is many do not see who is clearly winning this debate by example.  ;D
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2015, 05:05:58 pm »

What I do not respect is your clearly stated intention to take action to "starve me to death." In that sense you are a social terrorist, not much different from ISIS.
Why you do not respect my intention to take action to "starve you to death"?
Don't you think that people has the right to choose you as photographer also by knowing whether you are homophobic or not?
If not, why?

And remember: I DO NOT ask whether people SHOULD choose you as photographer based on your position on gays.
I DO ASK whether people HAS THE RIGHT.


(So we put aside the "they should choose photographers based on the photographer's abilities" stuff).
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2015, 05:09:49 pm »

...please tell us what Holmes wrote that's incorrect...

It is obviously my position.

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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2015, 05:10:50 pm »

The sad part of this page is many do not see who is clearly winning this debate by example.  ;D

This debate is unimportant.
The real debate is being win by the good guys right now:
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Faced with a massive backlash over the passage of their modified RFRA law (some of it based on serious hyperbole, as I’ve detailed before), Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana and some members of the legislature are considering amending it to specifically say that it would not allow discrimination by businesses against gay people.

Looks like bigots are like cockroaches: as soon as light is cast, they flee.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2015, 05:12:11 pm »

It is obviously my position.

It is obviously my position.

I see, the old "because I say so" stuff.
How unexpected.  ::) ::)
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2015, 05:15:47 pm »

It is obviously my position.
Sure seems that way! You're unable or unwilling to tell us what Holme wrote that is legally wrong while knocking it because you haven't a clue who she is. Would your position or opinion of the text or it's accuracy be any different if the person who wrote it was either or anyone named David Brooks or Chubby Checkers? No. You appear to enjoy dismissing the messenger rather than the message which is telling!

Again if you can, aside from the fact you don't know who Holmes is, what is it she wrote that's incorrect in terms of the First Amendment?
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2015, 05:23:51 pm »

Come on, if you don't like the topic, there are several other recent threads deserving attention - new landscape photographs posted. And for the G.A.S. sufferer, has Roger Cicala got a lens for you! Go over to his lensrental.com blog for a giggle or two.
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Re: Religious Freedom Act
« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2015, 05:45:51 pm »

Today, for example, APPLE announced that it is bringing back the Rainbow logo to celebrate it's belief in diversity

Indeed, Mr. Cook is so committed to diversity that he even does business with Saudi Arabia, the holy kingdom where gays are executed.
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