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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2015, 04:09:14 am »

I am glad that I clicked on that link. Thanks for posting.

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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2015, 04:11:42 am »

I am glad that I clicked on that link. Thanks for posting.

You're welcome  ;D
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2015, 11:29:51 am »

Wow, great photos at the link. I especially like the B and W jellyfish, for some reason it looks even more delicate in B and W.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #43 on: May 14, 2015, 10:47:29 am »

Mmmm... not so sure... https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Yes - makes you wonder why we need colour in pictures at all......

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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #44 on: May 14, 2015, 10:59:22 am »

So let's agree I said nothing and you didn't understand what I said.

I'm posting this because I really really like this quote!
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2015, 11:21:57 am »

Since reading Nick Devlin's excellent article on photographing in Cuba with the Leica Monochrom, https://luminous-landscape.com/cuba-no-colour/ , I have been seriously thinking about some aspects of this issue: more often than not, I will shoot in color with the idea of converting some, or all of my images to black and white.  I occasionally will set my EVF to show in B&W, but since I am shooting in raw, the images will always have color available.  More and more I am beginning to think this may be a cop-out; that knowing I have the color image available changes how I (sub)(un)consciously view the scene as I am shooting.  Here's the dilemma: I'm not particularly fond of in-camera jpegs, which shooting in true B&W mode would produce, nor can I afford a Leica Monochrom (either version). I invite discussion on this.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2015, 11:55:18 am »

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that knowing I have the color image available changes how I (sub)(un)consciously view the scene as I am shooting. 
Here's the dilemma: I'm not particularly fond of in-camera jpegs, which shooting in true B&W mode would produce, nor can I afford a Leica Monochrom (either version). I invite discussion on this.

My two cents: every constrain you set is a good thing, because it sets some framing for your shooting.
It's very much like "prime lens are better then zooms for learning".

On the jpeg matter, I'll go for the jpeg until the technical qualities of the photos became the main flaw.

Just as an example, look at this photostream: the shots may lack definition, but I'll be mooooore than happy to shoot like this.


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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2015, 01:05:27 pm »

Black and white are colours.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2015, 02:40:29 pm »

More and more I am beginning to think this may be a cop-out; that knowing I have the color image available changes how I (sub)(un)consciously view the scene as I am shooting.  Here's the dilemma: I'm not particularly fond of in-camera jpegs, which shooting in true B&W mode would produce, nor can I afford a Leica Monochrom (either version).

Just choose to make monochrome images and then keep to your decision: as-if you'd loaded B&W film into your camera.

The raw provides 3 different monochrome images which enables great processing flexibility (see From Oz to Kansas: Almost Every Black and White Conversion Technique Known to Man).
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2015, 03:20:21 pm »

Just choose to make monochrome images and then keep to your decision: as-if you'd loaded B&W film into your camera.
That doesn't address the issue of camera-generated jpegs which, although almost good enough, aren't.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2015, 06:13:38 pm »

Just choose to make monochrome images and use raw -- "raw provides 3 different monochrome images which enables great processing flexibility".
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2015, 07:24:57 pm »

I flatter myself, I have some vague understanding of how little I know about the huge world that is photography; so let me ask you -- What prizes are awarded only to photographers who "previsualize his/her shot in BW (or color) while shooting"?
B+W or colour film photography competitions would be one example.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2015, 07:34:37 pm »

I used to shoot film, so had to make a conscious decision as whether to use B+W or colour [as well as what ISO to set] and I carried two cameras. Now I only need carry one and I don't need to think B+W, colour or ISO anymore, most of the time that is. Though sometimes as ripgrifith said above, I set screen[jpeg] to B+W to remind me that some shots I thought of as being B+W. Though as I don't shoot jpeg anymore I unless I remember to look at files on import before LR does my standard colour render on them and LR previews are built.

I do wonder how well I would do with B+W photography with digital  if I hadn't spent years shooting B+W film.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2015, 03:18:48 am »

I guess the overall question I would want to ask is, how, if at all, would your B&W shooting change if you didn't have a raw color image to fall back on?
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2015, 03:24:08 am »

Just choose to make monochrome images and use raw -- "raw provides 3 different monochrome images which enables great processing flexibility".
This misses the point: if you shoot raw, there's a part of your brain that knows you always have a color image available, and my question was, and is, does this affect how you shoot?
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2015, 03:25:45 am »

This misses the point: if you shoot raw, there's a part of your brain that knows you always have a color image available, and my question was, and is, does this affect how you shoot?
Yes, it does.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2015, 10:32:24 am »

Nowadays, we don't HAVE to use the red, yellow, green filter beforehand. I imagine that having considerable experience in B & W conversion methods helps one identify possible lower-contrast images that work in B & W but are "meh" in color.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2015, 12:32:22 pm »

This misses the point: if you shoot raw, there's a part of your brain that knows you always have a color image available, and my question was, and is, does this affect how you shoot?

Nope, it assumes you're capable of keeping to your decision.

So, "there's a part of your brain that knows" you are only going to use those 3 filtered monochromes to make a monochrome image.

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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2015, 03:16:25 pm »

Nope, it assumes you're capable of keeping to your decision.

So, "there's a part of your brain that knows" you are only going to use those 3 filtered monochromes to make a monochrome image.


It's not the same, and you well know it, but, as usual, you are intent on trying to elicit an argument.  I'm not going to bite; it takes more energy than you are worth.
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Re: photographing in black and white and in color
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2015, 04:32:36 pm »

Apparently you don't trust yourself not to make a colour image :-)

They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world’s
A sunny day, oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to a photograph
So mama, don’t take my Kodachrome away
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