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Slobodan Blagojevic

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8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« on: July 24, 2014, 06:01:26 pm »

Brief, funny and surprisingly accurate  :)

http://missymwac.tumblr.com/post/89281833650/8-easy-ways-to-know-if-an-image-is-fine-art

P.S. Point D could explain this current thread on LuLa (sorry, Dave, couldn't resist :P)

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2014, 07:14:09 pm »

Stupid, asinine, inaccurate, dated, close-minded, and ignorant.

YMMV.  No more surprising than it is surprising that some people when faced with a challenge to their understanding respond with denigration.  My friend.

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2014, 07:51:17 pm »

Gee, man, has your sense of humor been surgically removed at birth!?

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2014, 08:03:30 pm »

Gee, man, has your sense of humor been surgically removed at birth!?

I suspect not Slobodan,

Perhaps simply his own words put into action:  "when faced with a challenge to his understanding he can do little else but switch to denigration."

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2014, 08:50:53 pm »

Nothing to see here. 'Sense of humor' and many other terms, like 'fine art' are equally (100%) subjective.
Pick up the pace, Slobo. This whole section of LuLa is flagging....

 ;D  :)  :D  ::)  :-*
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2014, 10:22:08 pm »

Gee, man, has your sense of humor been surgically removed at birth!?

Let's leave aside your irrelevant argumentum ad hominem.  That you found the blog post worth reposting, and funny, and seem surprised that I find it ignorant unkind and hurtful, says things about you and about me which in some context is interesting, but not so much here.  I don't partake of these forums to be entertained; I read and contribute to learn and to teach.

I think the blog post you emphasized by posting a link here is a hackneyed response to a hackneyed and, I had assumed, moth-eaten straw man.

If it was just your attempt at "a funny", then we have nothing to discuss.

But funny isn't all you presented: you said it was "funny and surprisingly accurate".  What parts are accurate?  Why does that purported accuracy surprise you?

Let me mention what I see:  someone mocking something they don't understand, and mocking people (mostly beginners) who are trying to do something serious, well.

What do you value that?  Why do you promote it?

   

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2014, 10:36:26 pm »

I suspect not Slobodan,
Perhaps simply his own words put into action:  "when faced with a challenge to his understanding he can do little else but switch to denigration."

I figured someone would lob that pebble though that open window.  Can you specify what you think I don't understand?  What I am challenged by?  To me it is glaringly obvious that the blog poster doesn't understand much (I have responded on the blog), has no interest in understanding, and furthermore is much more interested in (an interest shared by the OP here) the frisson of shared denigration than in understanding.  While it is logical to apply my syllogism to my own response, I don't see how it logically fits.  Do you?

Again, if Slobodan simply said, "This is hilarious", I would not have responded.  What he said, though, was that it was "funny and surprisingly accurate (emphasis mine)".  I claim it is not accurate.  Do you disagree?  On what basis?

It is, to me, an accurate embodiment of a species of clubby willful ignorance twinned to an impulsive need to casually denigrate.  
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 10:41:04 pm »

... I don't partake of these forums to be entertained... If it was just your attempt at "a funny", then we have nothing to discuss.

Finally we agree on something!

I indeed can not discuss anything with people who "do not want to be entertained," who think "fun" is a serious business, who take themselves and the world too seriously and too literally.

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2014, 10:52:52 pm »

Finally we agree on something!

I indeed can not discuss anything with people who "do not want to be entertained," who think "fun" is a serious business, who take themselves and the world too seriously and too literally.

Hmm.  Another whiff of the irrelevant argumentum ad hominem.  Rather witless, that, but I suppose the compulsion is all of a piece. 

What you describe is not discussion it seems you are more interested in chit-chat.

Do you retract your claim that the blog post you cited is accurate?

Do you agree that the "fun" comes from denigrating others by falsely attributing thoughts and acts to them?

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2014, 10:54:46 pm »

Somebody call the security! ;)

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2014, 12:07:01 am »

Somebody call the security! ;)

I'm guessing you have Charmin on speed dial   ;) ;) ;) .

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2014, 03:22:25 pm »

As I am, or at least one of my images is the subject of this very lively discussion, I feel as though I should add something to it, but after first writing a long reply, I have now decided to keep out of it, other than to say in my defence, that when I made the image as referred to in one of the links above, that I did so late at night and in a relatively dark room as it had become and without me noticing. It is not until I now look at the image in the cold light of day, that I realise just how dark it really is, so perhaps I will have another go at it and repost it at some point, although I must admit that I do like it as is and all the elements within it, it was never meant to be a pretty picture.

I always thought that controversial work, or at least work that causes much discussion and disagreement was a good thing, it gets your work noticed and I do seem to occasionally have that effect here on Lula, getting comments about my work ranging from 'That is the worst image I have ever seen' - yes Peter, I have not forgotten and still have sleepless nights thinking about that.., through to WOW!, amazing and sublime etc.

Kirby, I don't think Slobodan meant any offence by what he did and certainly no offence was taken by me, but yes I agree it might have been a bit of a low blow for someone other than myself, who has now become quite used to the occasional kick in the shins on this forum.

Pax vobiscum

Dave
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2014, 05:10:21 pm »

... in my defence..

Do not worry, Dave, you are in good company! Take, for example, this guy, in a recent LuLa thread, who tried to make his image darker than it was in nature, in a pathetic attempt at fine art  ;)

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2014, 06:19:47 pm »

Kirby, I think you may be pushing the aggression a bit far.

I have known Slobodan for a while now (via this forum) and I don't believe he is a malignant fellow in any way.
He is possessed of an unusual and wacky sense of humour, however, and he likes to mix a bit of humour and a bit of wisdom in eclectic ways.

To me you seem be taking things far too SERIOUSLY.
As irreverent as that blog post is there is some truth to it.
The fact is that points are stretched to make the humour apparent.
BTW I teach an enormous amount (in disciplines distant from photography and art to be sure) and I find humour, and the counterpoint of examining an apparent piece of accepted wisdom by pushing it to the ridiculous very useful teaching techniques.
So humour and learning (teaching) are not opposite but in fact apposite.

For mind, Slobodan is worth much more as friend than as an enemy.

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2014, 08:15:26 am »

Funny! I would add a 9th: The price makes your jaw hit the floor.
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2014, 09:52:51 am »

 ;D

Gee, man, has your sense of humor been surgically removed at birth!?
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2014, 04:47:44 pm »

The more "artistic" a photograph is, the less importance it has as a photograph.
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2014, 08:27:27 pm »

P.S. Point D could explain this current thread on LuLa (sorry, Dave, couldn't resist :P)

Slobodan,

Check out the grungy train pic in this thread. Some insufferable jerk did the same thing as that other ass with the Teton shot:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=92369.0
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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2014, 11:22:04 am »

 ;D

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Re: 8 Easy Ways to Know if an Image is Fine Art
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2014, 02:53:28 am »

I thought it was funny
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