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Re: Da Vinci Resolve 11 Lite
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2014, 06:00:00 pm »

First get a small Cage from Wooden Camera.   It is the most adaptable and won't add much bulk to your system, though allows you to add a few things when needed, especially a top handle for dutch angles.

Second buy good nd faders to use as your f stop.   Tiffen test out well.  

If your using the 2.8 zooms remember in reality at wide open your at 5.6, so for subject isolation try to step back when you can and add a few more feet in focal length (but that's an artistic decision).

For sound the GH4 has lousy shielding and pre amps, so you can live with it, or buy a tascam that you run from mic to tascam to camera.  That will help dramatically and the tascams are cheap.

For mics I've got em all and the radio Senihauser Lavs I find are the best, also their microphones.    They make a small mic that is fairly fragile but mounts on camera and is good for foley.

For one person interviews use a radio lav and get some pads that go between the body and the mic.   This cuts down on rubbing and clothes crunching noises (you can find them on google).

For multi person interviews either add another lav, or if the subject(s) are stationary and you don't have a boom operator mount an adjustable directional mic (with windscreen) on a stand and point it out of camera frame to the subjects.   It works very well.

I have Rode, don't like most of their mics and most people go with Seinhauser.  That's your call.

I would get battery powered rather than phantom powered mics, if you can.

Remember you can fix an image (sometimes) but rarely ever fix bad sound.

For WB never set it on auto when filming as it will change as conditions change.   You will need to do some testing for coloration and tone out of camera as the gh4 does not have an S-log or a technicolor log.

Try to get somewhat flat and hold the highlights as much as possible, manually adjust the color temp.  Keep reference files so you footage will match as close as possible.

Adjust your screen (at least the brightness to more match your computer so your not surprised when you shoot).

You can move the color settings around in the menu and you'll probably won't to remove as much yellow and red as possible as panasonic sets their file to that bias.

Unless your working to a separate hdmi recorder, the file is 8 bit so it's somewhat fragile (though the best of the h264 cameras I've used).   Do some tests where you set your file to the camera's lcd or viewfinder then put it in the computer and see how it holds the highlights.  Usually whatever you set in camera, you then stop down 1/3, but that's very user dependent.  If you stop down too far your going to get a lot of noise.

You'll probably work 4k because most people believe bigger is better, (sometimes it is), but the bps on 2k is heafty and I'd shoot 2k, only go to 4k if their is the possibllity of alaising or moire.

But that's a judgement call.


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J,

I saw your reply just now. All of this is good solid advice. Such good advice in fact that I already found my way to some of it, and am now reading your post very carefully to do the rest.

 In the mean time got a Sennheiser G3 lav wireless system, everyone over here is now using these. I have just about figured out how it can be used; we did some tests with a sound engineer friend running it both to camera and to my small old Nagra voice recorder -the equivalent of a Tascam I guess.  The camera sounds a bit noisy with the Senn, but strangely I find it good for ambient with its own mics. I think mine is a "factory fixed" GH4, and the fix may partly consist of some white noise injection ...One interesting thing we figured out about the Sennheiser wireless is that if you use it with a line-level recorder, you mostly take the recorder preamp out of the picture, as the Senn transmitter module's pre is doing the hard work - so there is no reason to run a Senn wireless output to a super-expensive recorder :)  In January we will do some mixing and sound cleaning tests.

 As you state sound is clearly something that needs careful handling, one cannot afford to botch it. I think I'll continue to  get some pro advice in to help setup and postprocess the sound - I've been told that it's standard to run an adaptative noise reduction algorithm on the voice recording, and I think one also "compresses" the audio to make it sound more punchy before release.

As you also suggested I got a variable ND throttle. But daylight here is so bad these days I haven't yet used it a single time :(

I agree that FHD is probably what you want at the end - but my impression after some tests  is that on the GH4 daylight outdoor B-roll should be filmed in 4K, stabilized and downscaled; the 4K coming out of the GH4 is super-sharp and super-detailed, I'm amazed.  I would agree that for indoors stuff and people HD is as you indicate is more than sufficient. Maybe you could detail some more of your own experiences.

My next purchase if I continue doing this will probably be a cage and external recorder, probably Odyssey 7Q+; the monitor, "histograms", better output quality  and recording duration, but above all the fact of being able to see what I'm filming and focusing on seem essential. The finder is the weak spot of the GH4.

I really don't know about *video* color :) if I could do real Raw I would be happy, but failing that -GH4 not Red or Blackmagic-  I'm aiming now for "out-of-camera" run and gun documentary-quality color and using Panasonic's Cinemalike V. If I ever get up to speed on grading my opinions may change :) My impression is the GH4 video holds the highlights better than my usual still-camera work, but the shadows go muddy a bit faster. I'm not complaining.

Overall, so far, I'm quite happy with the GH4 and I would recommend it to other people, although a cheap GH3 might be a better deal as "Cooter" pointed out.

My GH4 resource page is online, it may help other beginners get up to speed.

And finally, here is where I'll put my better tests.

Thank you for all the excellent advice - keep it coming!

Edmund
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Re: Da Vinci Resolve 11 Lite
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2014, 11:05:46 am »

J,

I saw your reply just now.



My feeling is if you take these little 4/3 cameras and think of them as super 16mm (actually high resolution super 16) then you'll be very happy.

Be careful of falling down the worm hole of trying to produce a 35mm film look, because I've tried it with .95 lenses, adapters, recorders and you'll spend more than buying a used RED One.  Honestly.

Even the A7s to get to real 4k, have a decent lcd and a separate viewfinder, a 4k recorder will exceed used R1 prices, so be careful.

Really, look at PBS's documentaries that are usually shot with smaller eng type cameras with little chips.  They use lighting, composition to achieve a look (actually Top Gear is great at this).

One trick with the gh series is to mount a small cage and place a lightpanel led on the front and use it for slight fill and catchlight in the eyes and to open up dark hair.  The G series tends to collapse the blacks (though they do pull up in post) but this added light fill light will go a long way to making grading easier.  

Chris Sanderson did a post and turned me on to the small gitzo fluid heads which are actually fluid heads, (not friction) and the small one with a decent set of sticks is amazing, as long as you guide the camera by holding the body rather than the head handle as the gh cameras are small and too difficult to get a smooth pan unless you hold the body for stability.

I'm not dissing the panasonic, hell it's a wonder for what it costs and with inboard 4k.  The two constant 2.8 zooms will cover about everything you need and the lenses have great fall off and good sharpness.

For sound, there are a lot of good small preamps, some made for an iphone) that won't take up a lot of space and allow you to get sound into the camera that is more than usable.

Once again I like the wooden camera cages, because they have a lot of mounting points and allow an lcd and and onboard mic without large adapters and things that go bump everytime you turn.

Best Of Luck.

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Re: Da Vinci Resolve 11 Lite
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2014, 09:24:32 pm »



My feeling is if you take these little 4/3 cameras and think of them as super 16mm (actually high resolution super 16) then you'll be very happy.

Be careful of falling down the worm hole of trying to produce a 35mm film look, because I've tried it with .95 lenses, adapters, recorders and you'll spend more than buying a used RED One.  Honestly.

Even the A7s to get to real 4k, have a decent lcd and a separate viewfinder, a 4k recorder will exceed used R1 prices, so be careful.

Really, look at PBS's documentaries that are usually shot with smaller eng type cameras with little chips.  They use lighting, composition to achieve a look (actually Top Gear is great at this).

One trick with the gh series is to mount a small cage and place a lightpanel led on the front and use it for slight fill and catchlight in the eyes and to open up dark hair.  The G series tends to collapse the blacks (though they do pull up in post) but this added light fill light will go a long way to making grading easier.  

Chris Sanderson did a post and turned me on to the small gitzo fluid heads which are actually fluid heads, (not friction) and the small one with a decent set of sticks is amazing, as long as you guide the camera by holding the body rather than the head handle as the gh cameras are small and too difficult to get a smooth pan unless you hold the body for stability.

I'm not dissing the panasonic, hell it's a wonder for what it costs and with inboard 4k.  The two constant 2.8 zooms will cover about everything you need and the lenses have great fall off and good sharpness.

For sound, there are a lot of good small preamps, some made for an iphone) that won't take up a lot of space and allow you to get sound into the camera that is more than usable.

Once again I like the wooden camera cages, because they have a lot of mounting points and allow an lcd and and onboard mic without large adapters and things that go bump everytime you turn.

Best Of Luck.

IMO

BC

J,

 I think the catchlight/minifill idea is neat, a bit like using a turned-down flash with stills. Thank you.

 Your pointer to the fluid heads is interesting - I need to get a head now. I bought a $50 Manfrotto light tripod used with a photo head, it looks about 20 years old and I thought it was junk, but in fact it seems to match the camera perfectly, the clips are stable, it's actually pretty light and I now think it deserves a head. There are amazing used deals for tripods, nobody wants to  rescue those puppies from the shelter.

 I won't make the mistake of trying to make the GH4 look cinematic; I'm going for the documentary look so even oversharpened is acceptable. In my tests, the GH4 in 4K mode is blindingly sharp with the 12-35.

 I've started looking at FCPX -did you say iMovie Pro? - it looks learnable.

 My biggest shooting worry is AF. I've moved to manual focus with the peaking, but I would prefer to find a way to lock AF so I can talk without worrying about the camera if the subject fidgets. AF-C works well but it does some slight hunting. I'm going to try face recognition AF next. I wish Panasonic did a firmware upgrade to slow the AF-S so the hunting is not obvious.

 Have you looked at using an external recorder or tethering through to a laptop via an hdmi capture device? My biggest gripe with the GH4 is cards, internal recording limit and THE LACK OF A DECENT MONITOR/VIEWFINDER. It's impossible to tell on that screen whether the focus pull is acceptable or blurred. I'm strongly thinking of an Odyssey 7Q+, which solves all these issues, has a nice OLED monitor, but a $3K monitor/recorder on a 2.5K camera seems a bit absurd. The Shogun recorder looks nice but I think the screen is not as good.

 An external recorder also means the camera unit is heavier, which means a better tripod, etc. I mean, at some point you get to the point where dolling up an SLR design  to pretend being an ENG cam doesn't make sense. But then it wouldn't make sense anyway if they weren't price gouging the "pros".

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