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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #480 on: February 25, 2014, 11:47:24 am »

Manoli until we hear from Mike, this is about all I can find in terms of EULA and student/educator pruchase. The EEA program is what you're looking for I believe:

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.edu.html:

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How can I purchase Creative Cloud applications for my educational institution?
Adobe has launched a new program for education called the Education Enterprise Agreement (EEA). This program will allow term access to the Creative Cloud desktop applications that are essential for faculty, staff and students and is available through authorized channel resellers.

What is the Adobe EEA?
The EEA is a one-year or two-year term-based licensing program that helps primary and secondary schools and higher education institutions minimize the cost and complexity of providing Adobe Creative Cloud desktop applications and other software to their licensed faculty, staff, and students on institutionally owned and leased computers.*

What Creative Cloud desktop apps are available through the EEA?
A subset of CC applications are available via Design & Web HED Collection, Design & Web K12 Collection, and the Adobe Video Collection, plus additional add-ons are available (sold separately). For more information, click here.

For more details about the EEA program, contact your Adobe account executive or your Adobe Authorized Education Reseller.

How do I purchase Creative Cloud apps through EEA?
For more details about the EEA program, contact your Adobe account executive or your Adobe Authorized Education Reseller.

And: http://www.adobe.com/education/students/student-eligibility-guide.edu.html
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #481 on: February 25, 2014, 11:54:19 am »

Is JJJ your real name? The problem is that even if someone posts their real name how do the members know it is their real name? ;)

Interesting and good point.

With a name like Englebert Humperdinck, one would have thought it must be real - and yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_%28singer%29
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #482 on: February 25, 2014, 12:02:02 pm »

Someone a short while back in another thread, did a breakdown of the costs of moving from the perpetual licence to CC for his small design studio. And it was phenomenally more expensive.


This doesn't surprise me at all - that's what for-profit corporations do to keep generating increasing profits.

(it seems to me) the whole point of their subscription model was to achieve this - not to satisfy everyone.

Only time will tell whether it was a good gamble or not.

Glenn
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #483 on: February 25, 2014, 12:03:34 pm »

The "deal" for full suite upgraders was that even with the first year discount, over a 6 year period the monthly subscriptions would amount to double what I would have paid had I continued upgrading every version. Run that past me again, Adobe.....
This is where I think Adobe have made an error. By making subscription the only way [one many do not feel comfortable with] and then effectively charging more for using the Master suite this has prevented a much greater uptake than may otherwise has happened. No to mention that many CS users would not even have even been using the master suite as web or production versions would have suited their needs, so an even bigger hike for them.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #484 on: February 25, 2014, 12:06:11 pm »

Interesting and good point.
Anonymous posting is the issue, not what name you use and yes there is a distinction.  :)
As this has been addressed above.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #485 on: February 25, 2014, 12:18:13 pm »

Manoli until we hear from Mike, this is about all I can find in terms of EULA and student/educator pruchase. The EEA program is what you're looking for I believe:
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.edu.html:
And: http://www.adobe.com/education/students/student-eligibility-guide.edu.html

Many thanks, Andrew - MUCH APPRECIATED !
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #486 on: February 25, 2014, 12:37:24 pm »

Regarding my earlier queries, the first one (a) was answered - yes. The second, (b) - not sure. I've found the the following availability matrix

http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/creativecloud/cc/pdfs/cc-availability-matrix.pdf

It's not clear that if, for example, one was to have a Student (USA) edition licence and was in say, Malta or South Africa - where there is no 'student' edition - would the activation check still work ? **

Out of curiosity, what do the people in Israel, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia etc do for Photoshop ? There is no availability for any CC subscription other than CC for teams !

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** .. but you can use the apps in offline mode with a valid software license. The desktop apps will attempt to validate your software licenses every 30 days.  For annual members, you can use the apps for up to 99 days in offline mode. Month-to-month members can use the software for up to 30 days in offline mode.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #487 on: February 25, 2014, 01:15:24 pm »

This doesn't surprise me at all - that's what for-profit corporations do to keep generating increasing profits.

(it seems to me) the whole point of their subscription model was to achieve this - not to satisfy everyone.

Only time will tell whether it was a good gamble or not.
Nothing wrong with making profits, all in favour of it myself. I certainly do not want Adobe to go bust.  :)
But if you are selling software online, you can sell vast amounts more with very little additional cost compared to manufacturing physical products and all the associated costs. So if price was reduced so that many, many more people would buy it then they actually may make more money. The danger for Adobe if they play the long game where people are eventually forced to upgrade to CC as new computers and OSs make them ditch older perpetual versions, then in that time competitors could have moved in and stolen market share. For example FCX may have improved to the point where Premiere defectors may go back to Apple's product and gain new FCP users with Apple's increasing popularity.
If Adobe were to reduce price of CC substantially and get rid of the then less relevant Educational discount, they may get 10-20 million people signing up maybe even more, rather than the current 1.25 million, some of whom have a single or a dual PS/LR licence. A percentage of those who pirate will pay instead. Obviously some will never pay as they are not serious users and only have the software because it is free, so are not potential customers.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #488 on: February 25, 2014, 01:25:56 pm »

Regarding my earlier queries, the first one (a) was answered - yes.

fao Mike Chambers

Mike,
I can't find the EULA for the Student/Teacher edition of CC. Could you please confirm whether or not
(a) the licence is the same as the full version, i.e. 2 installations, activated but not used concurrently, computers owned by the licencee.

Sorry, I missed this. Where is the answer? Please cite the link and relevant passage regarding simultaneous use or not, if you would.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #489 on: February 25, 2014, 01:52:49 pm »


Sorry, I missed this. Where is the answer? Please cite the link and relevant passage regarding simultaneous use or not, if you would.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.edu.html#cc-edu
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/

" Yes, you can install and activate Creative Cloud desktop applications on two computers, regardless of operating system, for the individual associated with the Creative Cloud membership. See the product license agreements page for more information."

not for SIMULTANEOUS use though,
p114 2.1.3/2.1.4 as in CS6 licence
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/CS6.pdf

 
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #490 on: February 25, 2014, 02:02:45 pm »

Sorry, I missed this. Where is the answer? Please cite the link and relevant passage regarding simultaneous use or not, if you would.
"You can install the software on up to two computers, and if for some reason you change your mind after buying, you can easily return the product within 30 days of purchase to Adobe."

According to this page anyway.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #491 on: February 25, 2014, 04:39:11 pm »

Does anonymity or notoriety really matter?  If you don't like what they say, ignore them.

If you were to click my link stuff, you'd find what is clearly an outdated, "vanity" (because I'm not a pro photog) website that in fact was done mostly as a technical exercise.  I've made a few other websites unrelated to photography and one day I'll go back to that one and do something with it.  Does it prove who I am or what I am?  You can certainly decide to reduce my credibility on the basis that you can't conduct a forensic examination of my portfolio and I would agree with that.  It's a factor in credibility, but it's not the entire equation.

A few people here know me well enough to know what I do with my time, but I'm not here to discuss my personal life in detail :-)  I think I offer some useful thoughts now and then and I know I've been able to help out some folks, which is great.  I've also learned a lot!

Should I be forced to provide a photographic resume in order to participate?

And then there are people who would like to participate but need to keep a low profile for one reason or another - should they be excluded?

Really, I think it's far easier to make a judgement based on what the person says.  If they claim specific expertise, then by all means ask for validation or qualification, but otherwise just interact or not as it suits you and don't waste too much time worrying :-)
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #492 on: February 25, 2014, 04:53:56 pm »

And then there are people who would like to participate but need to keep a low profile for one reason or another - should they be excluded?
Why on Earth would someone need to be anonymous on here?

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Really, I think it's far easier to make a judgement based on what the person says.  If they claim specific expertise, then by all means ask for validation or qualification, but otherwise just interact or not as it suits you and don't waste too much time worrying :-)
There are people who partake/wind people up and who refuse to even show a single image to prove that they do photography, let alone back up any of their assertions.
It's like people in masks attending a camera club [which fundamentally is what LuLa is in effect] and never showing a single photograph to other members. All whilst being quite vocal and/or controversial at the same time. It's slightly odd behaviour.

This issue came up again due to some comments from anonymous posters that were considered troll like.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #493 on: February 25, 2014, 05:08:27 pm »

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.edu.html#cc-edu
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/

" Yes, you can install and activate Creative Cloud desktop applications on two computers, regardless of operating system, for the individual associated with the Creative Cloud membership. See the product license agreements page for more information."

not for SIMULTANEOUS use though,
p114 2.1.3/2.1.4 as in CS6 licence
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/licenses-terms/pdf/CS6.pdf

 


Thanks,

I had seen that, but the confusion is that A) the wording is not specific to the Edu version, B) the guy at Live Chat promised me from here to Mars that the Edu version allowed simultaneous use (but couldn't document it), and C) it's silly for a teacher/student license wherein I would like my son and I to be able to use the same software on side-by-side machines (IOW, simultaneously) as teacher and student.

But ultimately, and I'm the first to admit I get lost easily in legalease, it appears these annual and edu offers differ almost solely in price and not by usage.

Hoping Mike Chambers can confirm one way or another...
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #494 on: February 25, 2014, 05:21:23 pm »

Anonymity just encourages some people to make trolilsh posts, as "Isaac" and "Chez" demonstrate here. Occasionally there's a good reason why someone needs it, but not in general, and it usually produces mistrust.

It's not good enough to ignore someone when it's you they are addressing, Phil, though I agree to some extent. You might not ignore them totally but it's natural to take less care reading their posts and to word your own responses more abruptly. It's like I put it earlier - when someone in a mask comes up to you in a pub, they need to take off the silly mask if they really want a proper conversation.


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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #495 on: February 25, 2014, 05:27:28 pm »

I don't disagree with that concept, John, but I think you can get a good enough look based on what they say.  In the online world, it's less common to have personal or business websites to back up a poster.  Photography lends itself to such things these days, but by and large you get nothing more than a real name (or what appears to be a real name).
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #496 on: February 25, 2014, 05:32:31 pm »

Why on Earth would someone need to be anonymous on here?


There are many reasons I can think of.  General need to avoid publicity because they have a high public profile and don't want that to get in the way?  Imagine if a rockstar or movie star or a President or Prime Minister wanted to participate?  Lower levels of the same thing, also apply and are more likely.

Perhaps they are in the industry or related industry in a capacity that would also distract from their personal involvement (i.e. they don't want to have a professional or corporate involvement).

Maybe they have some general issues with being identified - court orders, people they're trying to avoid (for legitimate reasons - family disputes, for example).

That's just the first ones off the top of my head.

If someone's a troll or abusive, report them to the moderators.  They're very quick to take action in genuine cases and I think very reasonable in how they take action (gentle warnings, firm warnings, thread locks, bans, etc, all when appropriate and never with an overly harsh approach that I've seen).

So the reasons exist and I don't think we should exclude people just for wanting a little anonymity.  Afterall, as I said my site is more a technical exercise - it could easily have just been a mockup - someone could fake a profile with literally minutes of work if that was needed to gain access and they were that keen.

Also, I've seen plenty of "verifiable" folks who really shouldn't be allowed to post anything publically, ever.  I'm sure we've all encountered such people!
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #497 on: February 25, 2014, 05:41:30 pm »

Well, based on what they say, if it appears silly and they also are also wearing a silly mask, I don't think it's unreasonable to give less benefit of the doubt. Sure, Phil, fake real names may be used, but we'd at least have moved in the right direction - the perfect can't be the enemy of the good.

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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #498 on: February 25, 2014, 07:36:27 pm »

There are people who partake/wind people up and who refuse to even show a single image to prove that they do photography, let alone back up any of their assertions.
It's like people in masks attending a camera club [which fundamentally is what LuLa is in effect] and never showing a single photograph to other members. All whilst being quite vocal and/or controversial at the same time. It's slightly odd behaviour.
This is a regularly expressed sentiment, and IMO a mistaken one, although understandable. LuLa is, both expressly and in practice, a site and a forum for people who are interested in photography. There are lots of different ways of being interested in photography (as there are of being interested in the other arts) in addition to practising it and posting the results. Some forum members post photographs, others not. For all I know some take photographs, others not. It would be interesting to know the proportions. All of these categories include people who enjoy, or maybe who can't help, delivering wind ups.  LuLa isn't a camera club, "fundamentally" or "in effect" or in any other way except in the dreams of a few people who have been on the receiving end of a wind up from someone who doesn't post photographs and can't think of a better response or have lost interest in the game. But in the end we should surely be taking both posts and photographs on their intrinsic merits rather than judging either on the basis of other information we may have about their authors. This is a basic requirement for productive discussion in this or any other forum.
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Re: So how is that Subscription Service working out for Adobe?
« Reply #499 on: February 25, 2014, 11:37:38 pm »

Conclusion to the horror story about my friend's PS CC update problems first reported here two weeks ago.

Summary:
Photoshop stopped functioning after the installation of the last PS CC (14.2) update  
Numerous attempts to uninstall, reinstall PS CC, graphics card firmware, software drivers
Chatted for hours with Adobe support, researched Adobe forums, contacted Mike Chambers, finally the problem was escalated to a technician in India who remotely took control of the computer for troubleshooting. Then the ticket was re-escalated to a higher level. No help and no progress after all that.

More attempts:
re-installed PS CC with firewall disabled
re-linked to Creative Cloud
uninstalled all traces of third party plugins (including Nik, Topaz, OnOne)
ran DriverRestore
ran Nvidia software (checks update status)
ran AVG thorough scan
ran CCleaner advanced scan
ran Malwarebytes
ran Hitman Pro
FixCleaner did a report

Still no luck.  Same behaviour on that one program.
"Finally, after two weeks of living without the Photoshop, re-installed PS CS6 and it runs fine, so I'll live with that until Adobe finds a way to fix my PS CC 14.2."
  
I assume that most PS CC users haven't experienced these problems. However, judging by the wait time for Adobe support, I doubt that he is the only one with similar problems.
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