Sony A7R, intersting comaprision ...

[MrSmith]

[Sheldon N]

Be cool and elegant, gift yourself a mechanical watch.

Yes, one of those nice 300M depth rated models with the lithium release valve.

[eronald]

Great link, thanks for that! Romeo "shrimp" device indeed...

-Dave-

It would appear this is very similar to covering a photo flash with a styrofoam cup
When you look at the article the technical solution looks really neat, but I still think bigger is not better. Still it does put a whole new meaning on "test shots".

Edmund

[fredjeang2]

Yes, one of those nice 300M depth rated models with the lithium release valve.

   for goodness sakes, nooo

Get a bloody Vostok Amphibian for ex, if you want to go deep without lithium.

[Chris Barrett]

[Telecaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIQ4tkfysn8

Love it! Haven't seen that performance in many years. Funny watching Kurt playing a clean white Strat too.

-Dave-

[eronald]

Love it! Haven't seen that performance in many years. Funny watching Kurt playing a clean white Strat too.

-Dave-

A flawlessly performed stage exit

Edmund

[Fine_Art]

You know Erik, I think one of the biggest mistake of human history has been to completly separate science from art. It was absolutly necessary at one point because science needed to free itself from superstition. But during a short period of time, both disciplines were combined in such a balanced way that it produced people like Leonardo D.V. His genius resided IMO in the fact that in him, both disciplines were mastered and source of inspiration.
I am in favor of mergin.

I agree. The sculptor Michelangelo designed, what to this day remain, some of the most inspiring buildings in the world. The Greek Parthenon was also built with an artist in charge of the techies. It is so easy for the techies to get lost trying to see how far their rabbit hole goes.

[ErikKaffehr]

Well,

Thank to the techies you don't need to carve in stone…

Best regards
Erik

I agree. The sculptor Michelangelo designed, what to this day remain, some of the most inspiring buildings in the world. The Greek Parthenon was also built with an artist in charge of the techies. It is so easy for the techies to get lost trying to see how far their rabbit hole goes.

[Fine_Art]

Well,

Thank to the techies you don't need to carve in stone…

Best regards
Erik

As long as the artists design what the engineers then build all skills are used fully.

[KevinA]

As long as the artists design what the engineers then build all skills are used fully.

Yes but the accountant gets the final word, that's why we end up with overpriced junk with a large side order of bullshit to go with it.

[ErikKaffehr]

Any artist who has designed a digital sensor?

Best regards
Erik

As long as the artists design what the engineers then build all skills are used fully.

[synn]

Any artist who has designed a digital sensor?

Best regards
Erik

Any sensor designer who has won a world press award for best photo?

[fredjeang2]

Haaa...it starts to smell like in the good old days,
Blood, guts and rock & roll...hehehe

Well, to be fair with Erik, arrogance is not just
An attribute of the scientists.
What about the petulant and snobery bs in the
Art sphere?

I rather have a drink with an engineer
Than with many dudes I met into the
So called artistic elite.

[hjulenissen]

As long as the artists design what the engineers then build all skills are used fully.

It tends to take imagination and vision to do great engineering.

It tends to take technique and understanding to do great art.

What you are really getting at is (perhaps) the divide between those who wants to understand (objective-oriented), and those who prefer to act on feeling (sensuality-oriented). But that is not a question of engineers vs artists, but between two mentalities the we all possess in variable amounts for various parts of our lives. I, for one, am blissfully ignorant about how my washing machine works. It just works, and I don't want to analyze its behaviour as long as it does. But then I don't depend on my washing machine for my livelihood or for my hobbies, it is just a tool to avoid having to wear dirty clothes.

-h

[Chris Barrett]

but Coots, you buy Leica for the glass not the body!

I've been on a Leica binge lately.

Leica R 70-180 2.8 on the Sony


A trio of Leica R Summiluxes I had rehoused in the UK for Cine use

[fredjeang2]

but Coots, you buy Leica for the glass not the body!

This is very true: Leica glasses  
BUT, at the same time there is something special in some Leica bodies,
I think of the M (and the S to some extend).

Well, the particular design and engineering of the M body affects by a large extend
the photographer's approach and operation and it result in general that for some

kinds of photography the rate of keepers is higher.

(in my personal experience with the M, that I will shoot again this saturday, I find it
way more performant for composition while focusing accuracy is chalenging and
from another age. And when discretion is needed...no rival)

A trio of Leica R Summiluxes I had rehoused in the UK for Cine use

What are your sensations compare to the Cooke?

[Chris Barrett]

I think they're gorgeous with a feel somewhere between Cooke and Zeiss.  I initially bought these for low light situations since my Cookes are all 2.8s.  We shot this short film all on Leica R glass.

[BJL]

I agree. The sculptor Michelangelo designed, what to this day remain, some of the most inspiring buildings in the world. The Greek Parthenon was also built with an artist in charge of the techies.

And Leonardo da Vinci designed the canal system of Milan (painting "The Last Supper" on the side), and wrote a very technical book on making paints and such. We should remember that the root of the word "art" is about skill in making things, as in "artisan" or "artificial", and a silly "left brain, right brain" dichotomy between artists and scientists is unfortunate.

In an activity like photography, a balance of both sorts of "art" are valuable. I like the compromise of considering myself to be a photographic artisan, learning and using technologies to achieve esthetic goals.

[eronald]

Yes but the accountant gets the final word, that's why we end up with overpriced junk with a large side order of bullshit to go with it.

Which is where the photographer comes in - to make the bullshit look like art

Look at a pair of Nikes, $2 of plastic, priced at $100 thanks to product placement, talent and competent lensing.

Edmund