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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2016, 09:23:13 am »

I don't see the problem with spraying the final product with HPS or another thin, solvent-based sealant. It's done to many paintings, drawings, pastels and other works - it's invisible, but provides some extra protection against scuffs, scrapes and other marks. Every extra bit of protection helps.

If you used a spray sealant like this: Papilio Spray Sealant

Sure, additional protection, but has there been any longevity studies done on these coatings?

I would think having that information would be critical.

Very nice example of hand made paper.  Cool mod of the Roland printer.

That paper is a little thick for what I'd be wanting.  This is where our visions perhaps diverge SB.

With all the choices for printing and types of prints that can be made today, it's enough for me now to use dye-sub on aluminum or stick with traditional methods, until someone comes up with something as described in the too many pages of this thread.

I've made (4) 44" x 75" big prints on canvas while we've been discussing this over the last 2 days.  I'm printing as far out to the edge as possible.  Eventually I will have to deal with how to mat/mount/frame.  I'm not crazy about canvas stretching.  Laminating down to dibond or gluing to wood panel seems like the eventuality.  Too bad our vacuum process isn't available right now.   :-\
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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2016, 01:41:03 pm »

If you used a spray sealant like this: Papilio Spray Sealant

Sure, additional protection, but has there been any longevity studies done on these coatings?

I would think having that information would be critical.

People have been varnishing paintings and drawings for centuries, and HPS, at least, was demonstrated on Aardenburg to significantly increase the longevity of prints.

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That paper is a little thick for what I'd be wanting.  This is where our visions perhaps diverge SB.

Same here. What I'd really want is to be able to mount paper onto a flat piece of aluminium, wood or another material and display it much like a dye-sub or UV-curable metal print or a stretched canvas, with a surface durable enough to withstand such treatment, and the work itself being durable enough to withstand being un-mounted and re-mounted on a new substrate should the bond fail. You can't do that with untreated paper.

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I've made (4) 44" x 75" big prints on canvas while we've been discussing this over the last 2 days.  I'm printing as far out to the edge as possible.  Eventually I will have to deal with how to mat/mount/frame.  I'm not crazy about canvas stretching.  Laminating down to dibond or gluing to wood panel seems like the eventuality.  Too bad our vacuum process isn't available right now.   :-\

I'm not a huge fan of canvas for most photos, but use it because it's lightweight, cheap, easily shipped in the unstretched form and seems popular. The issues are with texture and flatness. The even, regular pattern of canvas isn't as aesthetically appealing as the more random, natural-looking texture of paper or the mirror-like gloss of metal, while canvas, no matter how well-stretched, never ends up truly flat like a metal or flat-mounted paper print - there's always a bit of a curve or bulge to it. Some images work well with it, but, even then, I generally prefer those shots on matte paper. Still, mounting canvas onto a flat material solves all the problems except the texture - it gives perfect flatness, is tough enough for unframed display and is strong enough to be dismounted and remounted should the adhesive fail.
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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2016, 02:42:50 pm »

I think people are pining for an end to this thread - I know I am.

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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2016, 09:11:11 am »

I've been asked who or what company can provide a 25 year lightfast print for outdoor use.

My conclusion:

Nobody Can Yet, that we can buy as a service.

I've re-opened the thread for anyone who would like to further discuss the topic.

I won't answer calls on the topic.

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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2016, 10:17:23 am »

A $500k-or-greater printer just isn't viable for printing fine-art photos, which are neither 2m-5m wide, nor produced in such huge numbers as to justify the purchase price of such a machine.

Tell that to Swiss-Q, who sell such machines for fine art use...
I know of an individual photographer with one, just for his own artwork. Nice to be that successful!

For the rest of us, Laumont has one in their LIC base.


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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2016, 03:02:34 am »

Tell that to Swiss-Q, who sell such machines for fine art use...
I know of an individual photographer with one, just for his own artwork. Nice to be that successful!

For the rest of us, Laumont has one in their LIC base.

Wow - this thread just turned 10,050.  (6/1/2016)

I could use one of these:



I mean what else could you want?  Wonder how much to buy one of these....

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Re: OUTDOOR INK LONGEVITY/PRINTER Questions - advice please
« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2016, 06:26:48 pm »

Yep, Swiss Q Nyala, I believe.
About $350/400,000, depending on options.

Personally I'd wait for the new P20000 generation head to migrate across to these machines, rather than be stuck with the older generation. Well, not that I'd turn one down for a second!
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