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david distefano

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« on: April 04, 2012, 04:24:43 pm »

yesterday i read on a blogger site, whose initials are kr, that ansel adams work, when he used his hasselblad equipment, had no artistic value and not worth looking at compared to his large format work. i have seen many of the hasselblad images and i'm sure almost everyone has seen moon and half dome and for this person to say his work with this camera has no value is just lunacy.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2012, 05:09:57 pm »

Don't get your blood pressure up about anything on a blog site (mine included). Any idiot can pretend to be knowledgeable even if they are a complete moron.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2012, 06:51:34 pm »

And take anything you read on KR's website with a large pinch of salt

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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2012, 08:14:56 pm »

KR! I didn't see that. He is the poster boy for an internet idiot.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2012, 10:27:14 pm »

KR lives from the clicks made on his blog, of course he says/writes such rubbish, he wants to polarize he wants to stay the person people talk about and visit his blog.....success for him this time.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2012, 01:19:11 am »

Hi,

What Ken Rockwell wrote is this:
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"Medium format is just overgrown 35mm (relatively fixed lenses and finders), while large format is the instrument of the immortals. No one pays much attention today to Ansel Adams' most recent work, which was only shot on medium format."
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I don't know about which of Ansel Adams' images were shot on different formats.  My take on the issue the issue is that the image cares little about how it was shot. Some things are certainly better done with some equipment than others. What Ken Rockwell writes about is really cameras with movements vs. rigid bodies.

Now, much of Mr. Rockwell's writing is a bit on the shallow side. I would prefer articles with some more depth.

Regarding medium format, it is probably a niche, but a niche wide enough for some companies like Hasselblad and Phase One making a decent living of it. Companies like Alpa and Arca are also involved with MF digital, and hopefully they are doing well, too.

Several authors on these forums shoot different formats, from 4/3 to IQ180 and I presume that there is a reason they do. Something like horses for the courses.

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yesterday i read on a blogger site, whose initials are kr, that ansel adams work, when he used his hasselblad equipment, had no artistic value and not worth looking at compared to his large format work. i have seen many of the hasselblad images and i'm sure almost everyone has seen moon and half dome and for this person to say his work with this camera has no value is just lunacy.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2012, 12:51:23 pm »

Wasn't Moonrise shot with a 'blad? A great example of a worthless image made even worse by the bad choice of format. No idea what he could have been thinking. Of course Ansel was a rank amatuer compared to the masters like KR...
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2012, 01:54:23 pm »

No Moonrise was shot with an 8x10, but KR wouldn't know the difference anyway.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2012, 02:09:25 pm »

And take anything you read on KR's website with a large pinch of salt

Considering that he states the following his "about me" page:
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I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax. Read The Museum of Hoaxes, or see their site. A hoax, like some of the things I do on this website, is done as a goof simply for the heck of it by overactive minds as a practical joke. Even Ansel Adams kidded around when he was just a pup in the 1920s by selling his photos as "Parmelian Prints." I have the energy and sense of humor of a three-year old, so remember, this is a personal website, and never presented as fact. I enjoy making things up for fun, as does The Onion, and I publish them here — even on this page.

Anyone who gets wound up or upset from reading his website needs to get a sense of perspective.  He outright admits that he's yanking the chain and yet every few months someone here falls for it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2012, 02:16:31 pm »

I think KR would know the difference.

I'm pretty sure he has a Tachihara and a Linhof 5x4 regarding large format and I've never known him to say anything derogatory about the Mamiya 7 when it comes to medium format.

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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2012, 02:58:13 pm »

I think KR would know the difference.

I'm pretty sure he has a Tachihara and a Linhof 5x4 regarding large format and I've never known him to say anything derogatory about the Mamiya 7 when it comes to medium format.

I set up AF on both my D3x and D4 using KR's cheat sheet, and believe me I'm very happy I did. It's clear that KR is at least a better synthetic writer than whoever wrote the manuals, or designed the menu structure.

I do agree KR is irritating. A good description of him would be to say KR might be Ann Coulter in drag :)

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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2012, 04:13:29 pm »

If we distill KR's "about me" page to get it's essence, we have this:
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I have the ... sense ... of a three-year old
 
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2012, 04:46:51 pm »

I think KR would know the difference.

I'm pretty sure he has a Tachihara and a Linhof 5x4 regarding large format and I've never known him to say anything derogatory about the Mamiya 7 when it comes to medium format.

Simply owning a camera and knowing what to do with it or knowing what a good image is from it are two different things. Anyone who makes this statement is pretty clueless in general about images regardless of format: "when he used his hasselblad equipment, had no artistic value and not worth looking at compared to his large format work." Looking at KR's photographs, is he someone you would go to for aesthetic advice?
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2012, 05:14:14 pm »

kirk i was referring to moon and half dome which was shot with a hasselblad.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2012, 05:20:49 am »

What Ken Rockwell wrote is this:
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"Medium format is just overgrown 35mm (relatively fixed lenses and finders), while large format is the instrument of the immortals. No one pays much attention today to Ansel Adams' most recent work, which was only shot on medium format."

Actually I really like, appreciate and respect KR. He speaks his honest opinion, impression and thought, and do not follow the marketing hype from camera makers as is evident is done also in articles here on LuLa. Is that not what we want? Or do we want to read what camera companies want us to buy??? It is funny how peoples emotions go hot on what KR writes... yet we all enjoy (?) to read him, yes??

Then may I politely ask why respected names in posts above offend him???

In the reference quote above, what is incorrect? It does in fact NOT state anything other than what he is probably right in... Really?? Yes, do we in fact pay attention to Ansel Adams' most recent work shot on "only" medium format? Or for that matter even the work he shot on polaroid? I do have the book he wrote on the Polaroid Land Prints, and it not only gives more fruit for thought on the zone system, but also contain some indeed very impressive and artistic polaroid prints.

Did KR really state that Ansel Adam's work on mere medium format was not art??? Not per what I can see in above posts. Then politely, what do you gents argue of???

B.t.w. I really do like Peter Lik also, whos images I am frequent very impressed of. Seems he similar to KR do work per his own mind and way. Is that not a value in arts??? Anything wrong with that? Or is that actually a good thing?

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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2012, 07:57:38 am »

I don't read kr, I have only heard of him through forum banter..and so my response to some of his quotes are just that, reactions to one-liners.. but there have been a few that
made me wince..broad generalizations like this one come to mind..I do a blog every now and then and I will cut him some slack as I know it is easy to have some diarreaha of the mouth at times
and not be precise with language to convey exactly what you mean.  If KR is speaking about the general public, then yes, most people don't know of his polaroid work or 120 work, or color work, or 25mm contax work..but I think that is KR's audience.. the general public.. why anyone here would read him is curious to me. Personally I think Ansel was very capable of composing, processing and printing his hasselblad images and he has some great ones from that time.  I wonder also from his quote if he thinks less of cartier-bresson than adams based on the square inches of the format?..it is implications like this which causes many here to write him off.
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Re: ansel adams and hasselblad
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2012, 12:04:33 pm »

Looking at KR's photographs, is he someone you would go to for aesthetic advice?

Nope - but I wouldn't do that anywhere else either.

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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2012, 01:04:01 pm »

Nope - but I wouldn't do that anywhere else either.



Absolutely the right attitude; I agree totally with your sentiment.

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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2012, 01:23:53 pm »

Chest pounding aside.......
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2012, 09:26:54 pm »

"Moon and Half Dome" (may have been "Moonrise over Halfdome", don't remember exact title) was shot with a Hasselblad 500c and 250mm Sonnar.

KR presents a mixed bag on his site, some reviews are pretty accurate but very opinionated.
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