Started by Rob C, January 04, 2012, 11:13:13 am
Quote from: luxborealis on January 04, 2012, 11:50:50 amChristian Barr once said, "Art can't deny craft, but refuses to acknowledge it. In the end they are still brothers."Dawn Detarando: "I don't see craft as something you make, but rather something you need to achieve good art."Any monkey can put paint to paper, but is it art? Probably not since art is self-expression and for self-expression you need self-awareness. Both good craft and self-awareness brings you closer to producing art but are not guarentees.There is a lot of crap out there that some people believe is art and some art critiques call art. I suppose "Art is in the eye of the beholder."Can you have art without craft? Wow - impossible to say really as some people have inherent skills in art without having "learned" their craft. Perhaps these are the true artists.
Quote from: RSL on January 04, 2012, 12:04:46 pmOoohhh... Let's try to define art.
Quote from: Rob C on January 04, 2012, 11:13:13 amWe've often had the argument about whether one can be taught how to be an artist and not simply a technician.Now dig this:"He told Radio Times: "I used to point out at art school, you can teach the craft, it's the poetry you can't teach. But now they try to teach the poetry and not the craft." "I quote David Hockney. Rob C
Quote from: Slobodan Blagojevic on January 04, 2012, 12:35:22 pmOk, I'll bite: art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beer holder.
Quote from: KLaban on January 04, 2012, 05:00:58 pmArt gives my mind a hard-on.
Quote from: Rob C on January 04, 2012, 04:59:07 pmMy point of view is rather too well understood here, Theo.I do believe that it is possible to self-educate on camera use; that it is easier/quicker to be taught; that Photoshop skills should be taught along with basic art in schools.I do not believe that anyone can teach anyone else how to be an artist. I believe that in photography, self-education of the eye and mind is the only way it works, and that is done by looking at all the work one possibly can, which is the natural way of anyone sufficiently interested in photography or paint. It's why one is aware of either discipline to the extent that making it a life has any attraction in the first place. I think there are those photographers who never much looked at other's work and simply did it right out of the egg; I've never met one.Looking at all that work does two things: it reveals to one the field(s) of personal interest; it gives one benchmarks against which to measure one's own progress. It does not, however, give anyone any business sense, which is perhaps as important a quality as any of the others in the mix! In practice, maybe it's the greatest of them all. Rob C
Quote from: fotometria gr on January 04, 2012, 05:38:45 pmCouldn't agree more... So, can to your opinion a teacher pass the reception of art to a possible artist? I mean surely none can teach somebody else to be an artist as you correctly state, but can't he help the "student" to decode/understand/approach existing art, thus helping him possibly optimize his abilities? Theodoros. www.fotometria.gr P.S. I should have said, I hate being called Theo..., please try to avoid that.
Quote from: WalterEG on January 04, 2012, 05:25:48 pmKeith,Perhaps you could share your brand of Beta-Blockers with Rob.Comes a time in a man's personal evolution that a hard-on anywhere is a welcome talisman of former youth.Cheers,W
Quote from: RSL on January 04, 2012, 07:27:58 pmSo what shall we call you? Metria?Yes, a teacher can "pass the reception of art" to a student. When I was at University of Michigan in 1950 and 51, I was lucky enough to have an English literature professor who, somehow, turned me on to poetry in a big way. I suddenly started spending most of my time in the men's union writing poetry, which didn't do much for my standing in my other classes, but got me published a couple times, while I was still 19, in one of the "little" magazines common in those days. I wrote poetry for decades after that and was published many times in various "little" magazines. That professor opened my life to something really glorious. I still can recite "Prufrock" from memory. I owe that man a lot.
Quote from: Isaac on January 05, 2012, 12:53:11 pm'What strange psyche believes that two emails, printed out, then scrunched up, are important in any way? The creator of that masterpiece looked genuinely shocked when he was told that it was (literally) rubbish. He left, head down, cradling the screwed-up paper lovingly in his hands. ... The judges were kinder to some of the other entries - one thought the hanging whistle was "simple, radical, with strong sexual connotations". There was, however, a wonderful moment when an artist stumbling to explain the merit of some chairs he'd thrown on the floor was told: "This is the biggest load of bull---- I've ever heard." And that from Tracey Emin!As Emin well knows, though, the question of what makes art, and what makes good art, has been around from Duchamp's urinal to Hirst's pickled shark. And there's a single answer - an answer that keeps art colleges going, keeps students believing that they really will change the world one day. Why is it art? Because I say so.'Art? Even Tracey Emin said it was rubbish 'Why, I ask, is my unmade bed just an unmade bed and hers is art? "Because you didn't say that yours was art and you didn't feel that it was. I saw it as art and felt that it was. I said that it was and showed that it was. I have transferred what I feel on to someone else looking at it. That's the alchemy. That's the magic. I was the person who had to have the conviction in the first place. If you think about it, is it really worth all those fights and arguments and trauma to defend something that isn't real? No, it's not."''I really know what I'm talking about. I'm a brilliant f***ing artist' - Tracey Emin interview
Quote from: fotometria gr on January 05, 2012, 02:44:01 pmThe problems of art with people appreciation of it... defined by artists! Only art can help them find their way and this way is through art, ...its really a circle.
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