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Eric Myrvaagnes

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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2013, 03:32:26 pm »

Maybe I'll steal this image, make my adjustments as well as Russ's suggested improvements, and then claim it as my own with a price tag of $5.7 million!
Or will I have to go to $6.7 million to get a buyer?

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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #81 on: February 17, 2013, 07:29:26 pm »

Maybe if you clone out the clouds and the islands in the river, you could get a better price for it.


BuT I like the islands and the clouds, and I prefer the expanse of rippled water in the foreground to a concrete path.  ;D
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #82 on: February 17, 2013, 07:47:53 pm »

TS my son. You just don't understand the "art market." It's got to be boring to sell at those prices.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2013, 08:54:57 pm »

TS my son. You just don't understand the "art market." It's got to be boring to sell at those prices.
+17.5.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2013, 10:32:31 pm »

+17.5.



Eric,
How did you work out that my Volga II, when the full image is printed to reveal the detail one sees in the small portion viewed at 100% on an HD monitor, will result in a print which is 17.5ft wide?  ;D
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #85 on: February 18, 2013, 12:12:08 am »

Obviously I just viewed it full-screen on my 17.5' HD monitor.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2013, 07:42:22 am »

Obviously I just viewed it full-screen on my 17.5' HD monitor.


But you viewed a downsized image of a random size. Isn't that a coincidence!  ;D

Good shot of the monitor lizard, but I would prefer to see the whole of the two lizards.  :)
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2013, 09:15:29 am »

But you viewed a downsized image of a random size. Isn't that a coincidence!  ;D

Good shot of the monitor lizard, but I would prefer to see the whole of the two lizards.  :)
But the second one wasn't HD.  ::)
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2013, 10:07:17 pm »

But the second one wasn't HD.  ::)

Eric, you are a silly old chap! Sometime you make no sense at all.  ;D
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #89 on: February 19, 2013, 11:57:10 am »

Here it is, Palatlakaha II. I'll have to expect a slightly lower initial estimate for its auction price than for Rhein II since it isn't quite as boring. I couldn't get a straight, boring path on the near side, so the algae along the bank will have to substitute.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #90 on: February 19, 2013, 03:44:48 pm »

It's interesting that a bunch of photographers, who are as a group pretty much notorious for deriving pleasure from buying expensive stuff they don't need and that probably isn't in any meaningful way "worth it", bitching about rich art buyers..
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2013, 03:52:14 pm »

It's interesting that a bunch of photographers, who are as a group pretty much notorious for deriving pleasure from buying expensive stuff they don't need and that probably isn't in any meaningful way "worth it", bitching about rich art buyers..

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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2013, 03:59:11 pm »

Any more spoilsports out there?
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #93 on: February 19, 2013, 04:01:48 pm »

WE ARE LEGION

(I don't like Rhine II either, for the record, but it's not my money)
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2013, 07:54:03 pm »

Here it is, Palatlakaha II. I'll have to expect a slightly lower initial estimate for its auction price than for Rhein II since it isn't quite as boring. I couldn't get a straight, boring path on the near side, so the algae along the bank will have to substitute.

Russ,
C'mon now! Just look at the comparison below. Gursky's Rhein II expresses the simplicity of mathematical harmony imposed upon nature through the creative processes of the photographer.

Observe that the two strips of greenery in the foreground, separated by the path, are of equal size and shape.

Observe that the narrow concrete path is equal in size and shape to the strip of greenery on the far side of the river bank.

Observe that the sky is exactly twice the height of the expanse of water, and twice the area.

The photograph thus expresses, or brings to mind, or hints at the rather amazing concept that nature, in all her complexity, may conform to mathematical rules.

Now, what is the concept behind your photo, Russ? Did you accidentally trip the shutter as you were walking along the river bank whilst holding the camera steady with one hand to stop it swaying against your body as it dangled from your neck?  ;D
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2013, 09:06:17 pm »

If my camera ever dangled from my neck I'd be dead.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #96 on: February 19, 2013, 09:36:29 pm »

If my camera ever dangled from my neck I'd be dead.

Wow! Is your camera that heavy, Russ. I've sometimes hiked all day long with two DSLRs dangling from my neck. When the terrain is rough, I have to steady them with both hands to stop them clashing into each other.  ;)

Of course, to be clear unless some people get confused, my cameras are dangling from the back of my neck, and sometimes the side of my neck, using what is known as a shoulder strap. I never use the shoulder strap to dangle the camera from my shoulder because there's a risk it might slip off. I therfore always sling the camera's shoulder-strap around my neck.

As long as the strap is anchored around the back of the neck or the side of the neck where one's shirt collar is usually situated, it's not too uncomfortable. However, if the strap were anchored around the front of the neck, it would restrict one's breathing and also reduce the speed with which one could grab the camera to take a shot.

Hope I've clarified that situation for you.  ;D
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2013, 12:07:08 am »

I just had another brilliant idea. You know how some artists (and even photographers) may use the same title over and over again for different images ("Untitled," for example). Well my idea is that maybe I should title my next 500 photos each "Rhein II" and see if that helps to inflate the price.  8)
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2013, 09:23:38 am »

Hope I've clarified that situation for you.  ;D

Thanks Ray, that was a pretty thorough clarification. Actually, my D3 with 24-70 f/2.8, which is my all-time favorite combination weighs just about 5 pounds. If I put on the 70-200 f/2.8 the rig goes up to 6 pounds. Now you have to understand that I have an 83-year-old neck, so I've done a couple things to keep the weight off of it. First, I hang the camera with a shoulder strap on -- believe it or not --- my shoulder. Actually, my strap is an Upstrap, which lets me slant my shoulder very close to vertical without the camera falling off. The second thing I've done is to get rid of the 70-200 f/2.8 and substitute the new 70-200 f/4, which is just a tad lighter than the 24-70 but with the same characteristics as the 70-200 f/2.8. Considering the kind of ISO I get with the D3 and D800 it's a fair trade. If I really need less depth of field I put on an 85mm f/1.8 prime.
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Re: Andreas Gursky's Rhein II
« Reply #99 on: February 20, 2013, 09:55:55 am »

Of course they cited enjoyment as the key. What that survey shows is that ten percent of the buyers were honest.
And what your statement shows is that you will twist and manipulate any evidence to prove your world view/opinion is correct or simply ignore anything that you cannot mangle to your view.
There are other viewpoints you know. For example...

Why is it soooo difficult for some of you to accept that there are people who actually like the Rhein II (I do)?

You seem to go to great lengths looking for any other explanation, mostly cynical (investment) or derogatory (stupid rich). Some of you are patronizingly concerned with the longevity or reproducibility of the said piece. The people who pay 4+ millions for a photograph do not have net worth of 5 million, but more likely in the range of 50 to 500 million.
I also like Gursky's work and if I could afford a house big enough to display such work properly, then maybe I could afford his prices too.
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