Topic: Has anyone tried the H4D 200ms? (Read 4556 times)

henrikfoto · « **on:** November 05, 2011, 06:56:01 pm »

I have heard the H4D 200ms is finally ready and shipping.
Has anyone tested one of these?
Or is there any serious test of this back anywere?

Henrik

KSkewes · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2011, 12:42:19 am »

Someone I know has one, here is a post he wrote about using it in the field

http://www.leswalkling.com/tethering-the-h4d-200ms-in-the-field

henrikfoto · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:17:53 am »

Thank you! Interesting reading.

Henrik

David Watson · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2011, 04:34:50 pm »

Quote from: KSkewes on November 06, 2011, 12:42:19 am

Someone I know has one, here is a post he wrote about using it in the field

http://www.leswalkling.com/tethering-the-h4d-200ms-in-the-field

I read this and quite frankly thought that it was bizarre. Why on earth would you want to lug a camera like this and then use it tethered for landscape photography from the top of a hill. I cannot think of a less appropriate use. If you want a huge image it would be less trouble to attached a 300mm lens and stitch wouldn't it?

BernardLanguillier · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:13:57 pm »

It is also interesting to see that the peak of focus does not really seem to be on the ridge where he probably wanted it to be, but closer to infinity...

This isn't surprising considering the lack of live view.

Stitching the same scene with an H4D60-IQ180 seems a much more practical solution that will be much lighter, faster to use, less prone to issues with wind,... and a lot more scalable since you will be able to manage different image aspects ratio with only one lens.

Cheers,
Bernard

design_freak · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:17:53 pm »

The more easy way is to use this

http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm

henrikfoto · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:20:27 pm »

But sometimes it's not about finding the most practical solution but testing what is possible.
I know this could also be done better with the Betterlight backs 10 yeaars ago.

Henrik

henrikfoto · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:24:47 pm »

Quote from: design_freak on November 06, 2011, 05:17:53 pm

The more easy way is to use this
http://www.roundshot.ch/xml_1/internet/de/application/d438/d925/f934.cfm

But this is very different. The MS backs do no interpollation, and the Seitz scanners do massive interpollation
to keep the speed up.

design_freak · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:31:05 pm »

Quote from: henrikfoto on November 06, 2011, 05:20:27 pm

But sometimes it's not about finding the most practical solution but testing wwhat is possible.
I know this could also be done better with the Betterlight backs 10 yeaars ago.

Henrik

Call David Grover, determine the date of the test. Check yourself what the hardware can do. What are the limitations of this equipment. Nobody will tell you about problems. At best about the benefits.

design_freak · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2011, 05:37:37 pm »

Quote from: henrikfoto on November 06, 2011, 05:24:47 pm

But this is very different. The MS backs do no interpollation, and the Seitz scanners do massive interpollation
to keep the speed up.

Remember that everything depends on the application. If you want it to be landscapes, I would not recommend MS. IQ180 and Alpa / ArcaSwiss will be much better solution. Even though Seiz interpolation can be better than MS. In addition, it is a very simple device and works very quickly.

David Grover / Capture One · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2011, 06:55:48 am »

Quote from: BernardLanguillier on November 06, 2011, 05:13:57 pm

It is also interesting to see that the peak of focus does not really seem to be on the ridge where he probably wanted it to be, but closer to infinity... This isn't surprising considering the lack of live view.

Stitching the same scene with an H4D60-IQ180 seems a much more practical solution that will be much lighter, faster to use, less prone to issues with wind,... and a lot more scalable since you will be able to manage different image aspects ratio with only one lens.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard,

Not everybody wishes to stitch.. or try to "see" in that method. It could also give rise to similar issues experienced with MS in the landscape environment, like movement. I imagine crashing waves would be pretty difficult to shoot in a stitch, no?

David

David Grover / Capture One · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2011, 06:56:36 am »

Quote from: henrikfoto on November 05, 2011, 06:56:01 pm

I have heard the H4D 200ms is finally ready and shipping.
Has anyone tested one of these?
Or is there any serious test of this back anywere?

Henrik

HI Henrik,

What's your application?

Perhaps reading here is a good start.

Case studies on our users of the H4D200MS.

http://www.hasselblad.com/promotions/h4d-200ms.aspx

By the way, it has been shipping for quite some time.

David

design_freak · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2011, 05:01:27 am »

Quote from: David Grover / Hasselblad on November 07, 2011, 06:56:36 am

HI Henrik,

What's your application?

Perhaps reading here is a good start.

Case studies on our users of the H4D200MS.

http://www.hasselblad.com/promotions/h4d-200ms.aspx

By the way, it has been shipping for quite some time.

David

Hi David,
If this is not a secret. How many have sold? I ask out of curiosity

David Grover / Capture One · « **Reply #13 on:** November 09, 2011, 02:00:40 pm »

Quote from: design_freak on November 08, 2011, 05:01:27 am

Hi David,
If this is not a secret. How many have sold? I ask out of curiosity

More than forecast!

henrikfoto · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2011, 03:34:25 pm »

Hi David!

From the files I have seen it seems that the improvement is much greater from the
single-shot to the 50ms than from the 50ms to the 200ms.
To my eyes the quality of the files does not seem to improve to the 200ms. It's just a
huge file for very big prints.

Would you say that is correct?

Henrik

EricWHiss · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2011, 03:40:54 pm »

The older backs that did microstep had to take 16 frames plus 3 or 4 calibration shots which as great as they were got a bit tedious. Getting a bit better than 4 shot, with double res and only 6 shots is welcome. The landscape shot from the fellow who brought his laptop into the field is totally not representative of what this can do.

henrikfoto · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2011, 05:47:50 pm »

I am of course not talking about the "results" from the landscape-link.
I am refering to the few shots Hasselblad are showing at their own site and a few others
shown at other sites.

HenriK

EricWHiss · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2011, 09:29:19 pm »

Henrik,
I've only worked with the 39MS backs significantly and not the 50MS, but would bet the 50MS is as good as anything you can buy now in 4 shot mode. I now have the 80mpix aptus and it will get similar detail with hard edges like a map for instance, but not as much DR as the 39MS. I've compared scenes with soft detail like flowers and fruit and the subtle color changes are better captured with the multishot. Even if the 200MS is not a big step from the 50MS, I think it will still be a very good back. The downsides are only can you hold your subject steady and does your workflow allow for the extra time needed for multishot.
Eric

David Grover / Capture One · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:22:51 am »

Quote from: henrikfoto on November 09, 2011, 03:34:25 pm

Hi David!

From the files I have seen it seems that the improvement is much greater from the
single-shot to the 50ms than from the 50ms to the 200ms.
To my eyes the quality of the files does not seem to improve to the 200ms. It's just a
huge file for very big prints.

Would you say that is correct?

Henrik

Hi Henrik,

Yes, I would say that is a fair assumption!

D

jduncan · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2011, 05:26:45 am »

Quote from: henrikfoto on November 09, 2011, 05:47:50 pm

I am of course not talking about the "results" from the landscape-link.
I am refering to the few shots Hasselblad are showing at their own site and a few others
shown at other sites.

HenriK

I disagree from your opinion on the hasselblad site. The change from 50ms to 200mm is amazing.
I have to see non vendor's examples to draw a final conclusion , but from what I have seen, and for product, the camera is simply like no other.

Of course that's my perspective, and using my monitor.

Maybe this one is convincing?
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/promotions/comparison-tate-gallery.aspx

Best regards,

James

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