Topic: What Shift Tilt options for Mamiya 645? (Read 19212 times)

MamiyaZdUser · « **on:** March 23, 2010, 08:32:35 am »

Hi all

What are the existing shift tilt options for Mamiya ZD

Thanks for any info

Ady.

eddysmit · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2010, 09:27:20 am »

MAMIYA 50mm f/4 SHIFT LENS SEKOR C
Only shift and MF.
I don't know if they have AF for the ZD. Don't think so.
Others do have tilt shift:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/lo...com/t13781.html

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2010, 10:20:38 am »

There is a Phase One 45 TS. I'm actually not sure if it's been released yet or of it's quality. 84 degree angle of view. I am also assuming it is compatible with the ZD.

tashley · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2010, 10:29:26 am »

Quote from: JonathanBenoit

There is a Phase One 45 TS. I'm actually not sure if it's been released yet or of it's quality. 84 degree angle of view. I am also assuming it is compatible with the ZD.

They went quiet on it. A few were out as betas and I think some made it free into the wild but they never got the quality right. It was based on a Hartblei Super Rotator, probably just OEM'd. and that is a fabulous beast though good samples are very very hard to come by. I have a good one and though it's not perfect, I love it. When tilting it crerates weird dreamscapes and when used for something as simple as 10mm rise to get a building in the frame, my copy produces a 30" print that you would be extremely hard pressed to tell from a Schneider 35XL on a tech cam - and this is on a P65+. If anyone wants to take a peek at a full-sized,100% quality jpeg of such a file, developed in C1 with lens corrections as if it were a Phase TS lens and then exported, there's one here... and to see what it's like as a 30" print look at it at about 50% rather than 100%...

The full version is 24mb and is
HERE...

ANd this is a web-sized version. Both are in Adobe RGB rather than sRGB because I've gone all Eizo...

jonstewart · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2010, 02:22:36 pm »

I have both the 50 shift, and the Hartblei Super-rotator, if anybody has a hankering to buy.

(I hadn't planned on selling, but since it / they might go to a good home..!)

mtomalty · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2010, 02:29:36 pm »

Thanks for making that available,Tim. Pretty impressive considering the file size but, still, too bad they
couldn't go the extra mile to make it perfect.

Very sharp in the central portion but once it gets off-center the detail smears somewhat (very similar,visually, to how Canon's original 24 TS smears)
Particularly apparent in all the small metal balconies in the background building as well as the text in the guys shorts on the left.

Obviously, wouldn't show in commercially printed end uses but I would imagine it might show in large prints.

EDIT:just re-read and now realize this is an original Hartblei and not a Phase version

Mark
www.marktomalty.com

yaya · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2010, 07:20:43 pm »

And of course there's the Cambo X2 Pro. You'll need the ZD bellows to mount the ZD body and then in the front you can use 645 or 67 lenses or LF lenses etc.
Infinity focus and using wide angles can be somewhat challenging but still you do gain some added flexibility

Yair

Guy Mancuso · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2010, 10:59:27 pm »

I have a 50mm shift lens that I actually like a lot. Have a sample compared to using the 28mm for width

http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14864

tashley · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2010, 05:52:14 am »

Quote from: mtomalty

Thanks for making that available,Tim. Pretty impressive considering the file size but, still, too bad they
couldn't go the extra mile to make it perfect.

Very sharp in the central portion but once it gets off-center the detail smears somewhat (very similar,visually, to how Canon's original 24 TS smears)
Particularly apparent in all the small metal balconies in the background building as well as the text in the guys shorts on the left.

Obviously, wouldn't show in commercially printed end uses but I would imagine it might show in large prints.

EDIT:just re-read and now realize this is an original Hartblei and not a Phase version

Mark
www.marktomalty.com

Hey Mark,

You're right that it's not perfect and those railings do look a little impressionistic at 100% but in a 30" print they are really pretty good and in fact if that print were of anything interesting I wouldn't hesitate to exhibit/sell it as fine art. The guy's shorts are not blurred - he's moving! The sand around him is sharp. So for me this lens is perfectly useable up to a point on the P65+ and that's about the 30" wide print size. Beyond that, it loses out but hey, the P65+ is challenging a lot of my glass!

MamiyaZdUser · « **Reply #9 on:** March 24, 2010, 10:03:55 am »

Thanks

I need the tilt options, the shift is not so relevant..

Yangt26224 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 24, 2010, 01:00:35 pm »

Silvestri Flexcam. I think there is an used one with Mamiya mount for sale on eBay right now......

http://www.silvestricamera.com/eng/prodott...lexicam_eng.htm

jonstewart · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2010, 02:01:27 pm »

I think you misunderstand. The mamiya adapter for the Flexicam is for a digital back mounted for Mamiya, not for a Mamiya camera.

You can see mine mounted on it here.

MamiyaZdUser · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2010, 02:18:03 pm »

Ok

There is the new Hertblei line

http://www.hartblei.de/en/index.htm

Crazy prices

http://www.hartblei.de/en/pricelist.htm

dergiman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2010, 03:13:35 pm »

the zoerk mulifocus system might be something to look at.
Zoerk.de

Philipp

HarperPhotos · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2010, 07:25:03 pm »

Hello,

Well I finally have tried out my new Mamiya 645 50mm shift lens on a road trip over Easter. Compared to my Hartblei 45mm lens it is a lot sharper.
In all I am very pleased with this lens.

The images below are taken at zero shift and then with a 9mm rise at F11.0

Cheers

Simon

Lorenzoparigi · « **Reply #15 on:** April 07, 2010, 08:13:26 pm »

If you like do-it-yourself

JonathanBenoit · « **Reply #16 on:** April 07, 2010, 11:19:50 pm »

Quote from: Lorenzoparigi

If you like do-it-yourself

what is that? there is more tape than camera

Lorenzoparigi · « **Reply #17 on:** April 08, 2010, 04:36:10 am »

Yes, it really ugly ( the tape on the back is an outdoor protection ) and is built without care, but this Fuji 680- Mamiya- P45 works really well.
It offer the capability to use all combinations of tilt and shift, rotate the camera independently
and look at the DOF intuitively in the finder.
The big advantage is that you can use all lenses of Fuji what are pretty good.
It whas just an idea, if you don't know what to do sunday afternoon ( you just need a good saw...) .

eddysmit · « **Reply #18 on:** April 08, 2010, 05:06:56 am »

What is the advantage of this construction over the original 680 setup?
Or isn't there an adapter for the P45 to Fuji?

Lorenzoparigi · « **Reply #19 on:** April 08, 2010, 05:25:13 am »

...not to much certainly, ( i have also the GX680 complete whith the adapter ) but it's more a light alternative for outdoor photography
when you are allready carrying Mamiya equipment.
You dont need also the shutter-box whith all the cables...

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